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Old May 10 2008, 2:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ablyth View Post
Well it covers a lot of different techniques and has a lot of musical examples. Another book I used to have was by someone called Marion Bauer. It was quite old but was similar to Persicchetti. I cant remember the title. However, as with most 20th century techniques, there are nor real rules just some general principles and then whether your ear tells you you are getting what you want or not. Milhaud was big on polytonality. I remember hearing one of his symphonies called the Rhodanian which is about a river and he uses masses of independently keyed lines to suggest merging streams. The overall effect as I remember is fairly chaotic or dissonant. But if this is what you are trying to create then this might be a model. Obviously Charles Ives is another biggy especially when he uses recognisable tunes in different keys. It is all about what effect you are trying to create. Probably it is easier trying to locate musical pieces that do it rather than a theoretical explanation.
The idea of the Milhaud piece sounds like the kind of stuff I'd want to use it for but as you point out, if it just sounds like chaos then it doesn't really work. I've just started messing around with the idea and the only thing I could think of was using diminished/augmented chords and resolve them to two different tonics or taking extended chords and treating them as two chords (ie. treating Cmaj7 as a C and an Em and continuing the progression from there in the keys of C and Em).

I've always heard that Strauss and Stravinsky use polytonality quite a bit as well and they always sound so much more accessible than someone like Ives. Perhaps I should dig deep into their scores.
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