Originally Posted by SSC

As the final nail in this discussion's coffin, all that you're implying is that you can tell Mozart was (AS A PERSON) a genius only by listening to his music in comparison to Haydn and Beethoven.

That's so amazingly absurd I can't even begin to describe it. Nope, can't do it.

And you fall prey to your own argument; you're talking about characteristics in Mozart's music that identify it as "music written by a genius", yet you fail to specify what these characteristics mean.

What do you call "expression, a freedom and sophistication in the melody and counterpoint"??? If you're unable to provide real concrete substantial definitions for this, your argument is (once again) gone out the window.

And no, you can't just handwave it by saying "well you know when you see it." You're treating this as borderline magic by now and it's quite sad to see.

FURTHERMORE!

I'm not the one confusing "Products with people", you're the one doing it, as clearly evidenced below. Observe your quite-hilarious contradiction:

"You really need to stop confusing products with people. Works of music are never themselves "genius" but when they are the product of a genius it's quite apparent. Someone with a good ear and mind upon hearing a similar work of Haydn and Mozart back to back would know which is Mozarts. There is a range of expression, a freedom and sophistication in the melody and counterpoint that is uniquely Mozart's."

Did you catch it?

No?

OK, let's try again:

"You really need to stop confusing products with people. Works of music are never themselves "genius" but when they are the product of a genius it's quite apparent. Someone with a good ear and mind upon hearing a similar work of Haydn and Mozart back to back would know which is Mozarts. There is a range of expression, a freedom and sophistication in the melody and counterpoint that is uniquely Mozart's."

Now you see it? It's very funny that you're saying "WAIT, works of music are never themselves genius!" but you're using the work of music to DEFINE genius in favor of the composer! If Mozart had written NO MUSIC and was yet the same genius you claim he is, would you still be able to magically recognize it? NO.

Absolute and utter fail.

PS: And with that, I hope this discussion stops. There's really no point in any of this and by now you have absolutely no credibility in anything you say by virtue of all this crap. Nevermind that if you even resort to mocking when, indeed, your arguments are plain sad it doesn't invite further conversations with you.