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this mentality is precisely what's wrong with jazz (and most art musics) today. Jazz, like most musics got too academic - to big for the proverbial britches. Starting with the bebop cutting sessions jazz took a turn towards becoming closed to the public - an elitist club of advanced musical thinkers. A lot of it WAS like that - still is - it got too fast, too high, too harmonically dense, too melodically angular, too rhythmically complex...alienating and ostracizing the listener/dancer.
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I do not necessarily things there is anything wrong with that as one can do what they want and who knows where it will lead... the problem is that some people tend to think that is the only way(mainly its an ego issue).
I sorta used to be that way with science/logic. I thought that was the only important thing. I thought emotions were useless... but then I thought about a world without emotions and without conflict, etc... It would be a very boring place and I doubt even science or logic would exist.
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Not that there's anything wrong with using advanced concepts, but too often new listeners (and old ones) can glance off the power inside something and scrutinize the inner workings. Bah - too complex? Too slow? Too simple? Not Loud enough? Wrong notes? Fuck it!
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People are going to find fault with anything they don't like. Problem with jazz people is that a lot of them are "snobbish" thinking there art form is the ultimate one similar to classical musicians. Sure metal might be simple in some respects but its not in many others which jazz could learn from and vice versa. But this is how people are... they choose sides. Its not a bad thing I suppose cause without it we wouldn't have all the different forms of music(and other things) to ultimately appreciate.
I guess the real winners here are the ones that can appreciate it all and not the close-minded ones that develop there own art form.
...sorta the difference between generalists and specialists... generalists don't get shit done but are able to "play" around with a lot of things and appreciate them and see the large picture. The specialists advance the individual aspects of there field but don't get to see the others(or not as much).
Unfortunately you have to choose which one you want to be and no choice is wrong. (not sure if it applies completely to music though but essentially it's because we have finite memory and finite time... but I'm getting off base here...)
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Jazz is not to be intellectualized. Jazz is (as SSC mentioned) an aesthetic - it's a FEEL, a SOUND...a way of life; a frame of mind; a state of being.
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Yes but so is all forms of art. Jazz is not special even though you might want it to be. Its no different than metal or any other form of music and everything has an aesthetic quality too it.
Now depending on what you by intellectualized I would have to disagree. If you mean that it is not to be understood then I think that's wrong. If you mean "over intellectualized" then of course I'd have to agree by the definition.