Beethoven: Symphony No. 5

Originally Posted by Mike

Actually, the Rite of Spring is extremely intricately crafted in just about every way imaginable, and is easily one of the most influential orchestral works of the 20th century.

If it sounds disorganised to you, I imagine you're comparing it to what went before. Listen to the output of a lot of post-1970 art music composers, and you may be surprised to discover how traditional it is in many ways.

THANK YOU!!!
Before you go dissing such a landmark piece for 20th Century Music, go and listen to music through the periods and see how it truly is genius.

Originally Posted by Mike

Actually, the Rite of Spring is extremely intricately crafted in just about every way imaginable, and is easily one of the most influential orchestral works of the 20th century.

If it sounds disorganised to you, I imagine you're comparing it to what went before. Listen to the output of a lot of post-1970 art music composers, and you may be surprised to discover how traditional it is in many ways.

I can agree with that, Stravinsky according to Simon rattle gained inspiration for the peace from a warring Russian winter

I want to hear a reply to this!

YouTube - Stravinsky's "The Rite Of Spring" -- Documentary Excerpt

Stravinsky documentary excerpt..

did anyone like it?

Originally Posted by gms5287

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Y'know, I wouldn't taunt the Rite of Spring if I were you- not only is it one of my favorite pieces in all of music, but it DID revolutionize the way composers and musicologists thought of music. Who knows what music would be like today without the Rite of Spring... No, the dissonance!!

Besides, Beethoven's fifth has never kept my attention for long. It's like Leonard Bernstein put it- "[paraphrasing] Beethoven simply takes a little motif and squeezes everything out of it until it is dry.[/paraphrasing]" I agree with this- the motif quickly gets boring becomes quite a bore to listen to. But that's me- I guess gms5287 liked it...

[EDIT] Neat documentary!

Originally Posted by IHoldThePenHaHa

Y'know, I wouldn't taunt the Rite of Spring if I were you- not only is it one of my favorite pieces in all of music, but it DID revolutionize the way composers and musicologists thought of music. Who knows what music would be like today without the Rite of Spring... No, the dissonance!!

Besides, Beethoven's fifth has never kept my attention for long. It's like Leonard Bernstein put it- "[paraphrasing] Beethoven simply takes a little motif and squeezes everything out of it until it is dry.[/paraphrasing]" I agree with this- the motif quickly gets boring becomes quite a bore to listen to. But that's me- I guess gms5287 liked it...

[EDIT] Neat documentary!

I was being sarcastic, kid. Try actually reading before you post next time. Anyway, I like both Le Sacre and Beethoven 5, they're both landmarks in the history of this art that we all study. I won't say anything else because you're young, and I remember how I was when I was that age........7-8 years ago. God I'm old.

Originally Posted by gms5287

I was being sarcastic, kid. Try actually reading before you post next time.

I hate it when people assume that I (and others) can read their minds, and blame everyone for not doing so. Number one, you make no mention of sarcasm, and two, you have already stated that the Rite of Spring is "crap". Don't expect everyone to know what you are saying and be a bitch about it when they don't.

Originally Posted by IHoldThePenHaHa

I hate it when people assume that I (and others) can read their minds, and blame everyone for not doing so. Number one, you make no mention of sarcasm, and two, you have already stated that the Rite of Spring is "crap". Don't expect everyone to know what you are saying and be a bitch about it when they don't.

He did make at least one post after his first that made it pretty damned obvious that he was being sarcastic...

So ANYWAY.....back to the topic at hand!
Sir Violinist I very much enjoyed the video. I was great the way Sir Rattle spoked of the piece.

Maybe to try and put this to rest....?
I understand not everyone LOVES Stravinsky or the Rite of Spring, but as a rising composer, you should still study it and learn from it and realize how much it changed music. I own the score and I'm always in awe of its genius! You can see all of the layers of different pieces of fabric he just lays and lays and lays!! Please dont just say the Rite of Spring is crap based on its atonal cover, read the pages and see that its an important piece.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by tenor10

So ANYWAY.....back to the topic at hand!
Sir Violinist I very much enjoyed the video. I was great the way Sir Rattle spoked of the piece.

Maybe to try and put this to rest....?
I understand not everyone LOVES Stravinsky or the Rite of Spring, but as a rising composer, you should still study it and learn from it and realize how much it changed music. I own the score and I'm always in awe of its genius! You can see all of the layers of different pieces of fabric he just lays and lays and lays!! Please dont just say the Rite of Spring is crap based on its atonal cover, read the pages and see that its an important piece.

Thank you.

....I was kidding....

I own the score too....it's right here on my bookshelf.....

Hold the phone.
You were kidding about calling the Rite of Spring antonal crap?