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Old Nov 28 2008, 1:40 AM

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Angry Boycott Young Composers?

Is it just me, or do I observe the "classical community" boycott young composers?

They (the big minds of classical music) will always take notice of you, then reject you because you are not famous like Strauss, Liszt, Chopin ect. My works are not bad at all, but no! I am not a legend so I may not compose.

If the international classical society don't make a place for young composers, there won't be any legends from this generation for posterity!

The minds of the classical world needs to be shifted - to give young composers a chance too!

What do you think?
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Old Nov 28 2008, 1:50 AM

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Well...

In order to make something good happen you NEED to be good, no? It's not about age, or anything like that. It's about experience and the results you're getting.

I have to say, that from my experience (whatever this may be), only a mere ... 1-2% of this site could go into publishing, no matter if I like a lot of stuff here. So... Not even sure if my stuff would fit normal publishing, or CD making, etc... We'll have to see about that!
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Old Nov 28 2008, 1:51 AM

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Sorry but.. that's nonsense.

There's plenty of opportunity out there for composers of any age.
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Old Nov 28 2008, 3:08 AM

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There are opportunities for composers, but I do think it is true that the worlds of art music and orchestral music aren't particularly inviting to new music. That doesn't make it impossible, just a bit harder, I think. One has to self-promote; no one is going to knock on your door asking you to be well-known.
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Old Nov 28 2008, 4:04 AM

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Yeah. I have to agree with the other posts here. It's nonsense. If anything, people are MORE generous here than they should be to pieces (myself included). I agree up to a point that classical music isn't all that accepting of new composers and ideas but that just makes it a bit harder; not impossible. If you want better opportunities to happen for you then work harder, self-promote, and be the best composer you can be.
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Old Nov 28 2008, 6:23 AM

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i certainly feel what you're saying - it's pretty much hard to get rejected, on a constant basis. i, personaly, know the angst rejection causes. there are plenty of reasons why one gets rejected. some are simply bureucratic, some are economical, some are both. i don't know how old are you, but i'm 27 and been being rejected like dozens of time. up to the level, where i consider it to be complete moral crime - it's the times when they say they'll publish your work to simply reject it weeks later. so, yes, there is some true 'fuck them' feeling in me.
BUT - it's not the problem. well, maybe for you, but not for me - at least i can hear my works myself (i need no one to perform them, except for my pc) and doing it make one human being proud. BUT - if you want some audience, there's other ways to do it than just established bureucratic forms. i would go to some bars, pubs, whatever and sneak in some of my music, so, at least unconsciously, people would hear it. once i played in pretty much big party, where i was being advertised as a guest from england, you bet it gives people extra serotonine to care to listen.
SO, while i feel what you're saying, i advice to not think of it too much and go on.
i mean charles bukowski was being rejected untill his forties and now he's what - a fucking legend!
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Old Nov 28 2008, 6:59 AM

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Work hard? YES! Work hard.

Nikolas, you are right there. I think little of this (including some of my own works) are genius. But I disagree with the other comments about critism. In South Africa, there are little opportunity. Bleh! See what I am talking about!

On YC, people ARE more generous with young composers (and I revere that - motivating others myself!)

Sadly, I've also had negative criticism by professionals. To such an extend, my creativity dropped very low and I compose with caution and fear. And that... is abnormal!

And now... all that remains for me to do is to kick some @$$ and compose originally, fresh and marvelous works!

Try A Natty Rag for Trombone, Piano and Orchestra I really need advice!
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Old Nov 28 2008, 10:53 AM

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All it sounds like here is that you need to learn how to take criticism. Not everybody is gonna love your work all the time, every time.
As for getting noticed- advertise yourself. Contact people, get pieces performed as often as possible, perform other people's works, help other composers out. :x Lots of people will return the favor if you give them a hand.
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Old Nov 28 2008, 12:44 PM

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Pieter, I replied to your nag thread.! Check it out and see what you think (not about the work, but about where to potentially get an orchestra to play your works).
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Old Nov 28 2008, 6:58 PM

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Are you saying they aren't famous?
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