Composition today

Yes QcC is was refering to the atonal music, the modern atonal music if you read my text you will see, and i was ferering to norwegian professors at the conservatory in oslo.
if you listen to hes music, you will understand what im talkin about : hes music:
Amazon.com: Ivar Frounberg: Orchestral Works: Ivar Frounberg,Frans Rasmussen,Århus Symphony Orchestra: Music

music will NOT, how do you know that? harsh statements QcC

another example is Arne Nordheim, international composer :
Amazon.com: Arne Nordheim: Complete Violin Music: Arne Nordheim,Eivind Aadland,Stavanger Symphony Orchestra,Peter Herresthal: Music
Arne Nordheim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you call that music lyrical its you view, not mine, an we have different remeber when you talk about music, everything is subjective. and the majority will rather listen to mozart influenced music then arne nordheim that is my point!

and refering to my atonal piece is not good, that piece? the whole piece is bullshit.

ok, here goes:

Amazon.com: James Galway plays Lowell Liebermann: Lowell Liebermann,Lowell Liebermann,James Galway,London Mozart Players: Music

Amazon.com: Liebermann: Piano Concertos: Lowell Liebermann,Lowell Liebermann,Glasgow BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra,Stephen Hough: Music


here's a CD with a couple of composers on it:

Amazon.com: Great Artists From Canada: Alexander Brott,Jacques Hetu,Simon Streatfeild,Maureen Forrester,Joseph Rouleau,Louise Charbonneau: Music

not ALL new music is like the examples you posted. Stop thinking your limited experience is the ONLY thing that exists.

Is my clarinet sonata "noise"? Ok, it's not published yet, but it's a new work, getting its premiere in November, then being performed again in August and next october by different clarinetists. (much Canadian music is not "published")

no QcC, i wonder if you are reading what i said to quote myself: i talk about the atonal modern music, NOT NOT NOT other music, like i said im talking about music like Ivar and Arne Nordheim. And i did not say that any of you work is noise, please let me hear you clarinet sonata. Dont take this as critic to yourself. like i said, and i will repeat : I talk about atonal modern music, and the music lowell was lyrical and nice, yes!
Its the atonal i dont get.

And you dont need to be rude, i was not rude to you "Stop thinking your limited experience is the ONLY thing that exists", i dont think everyone does music like that, but its popular. well my limted experience yes, i have that thanks for pointing it out

dillinger escape plan, converge, the red chord.. these bands are 'daring', this is new.

stockhausen is soooo half-a-century ago..

Simen, the problem may be in the way you express yourself.

I read you posts and get the impression that you think that all new music is like those examples you posted. And you come back to that and then refer to mozart and bach.

But new music is so much MORE than just that. New music is as wide in stylistic variety as all of the music of the last 100 years.

So, I understand that you don't like the "experimental" and "atonal" music. But that doesn't mean it's the only thing being created by new composers. And audiences are quite aware that there is beautiful lyrical new music being written and performed.


You said:

Composition isn't in such a great place right now, though. Art music (not just classical) has fallen out of the public eye, for the most part.

I'm just showing you that it hasn't "fallen out of the public eye, nor is it in a bad place at all! New music is as vibrant as ever. And as varied as ever.

yes true, and why? do you think the modern compositions is what the public wants to hear? the adstract atonal music ? no not at all, and that is why composition is going badly! The normal ear wants to hear some melody, they dont understand and dont care about this modern "interlectual" music. The sad thing is: composition should be very free at this point, we have many peridoes do choose form, but that is not accepted by schools or other composers. we "have" to compose modern music.

And I said that new music is NOT necessarily "abstract atonal" music.

As for what they teach in schools, that's a completely different matter.

They SHOULD be showing you the latest techniques, even if you will not use them later, after you leave school.

You cannot decide you will not use something if you don't understand it first. Who knows, maybe you will be able to make something truly lyrical and beautiful even within the strictures of some very avant-garde technique. THAT is where the true art of a composer shows itself.

Atonal music is not the only valid new music.

But then, new tonal music is not invalid, either.

What IS questionable, is when someone simply parrots a style of music, without imprinting his own identity on it. But that is a considerably more difficult thing to identify correctly.

I don't write atonal music, or very little of it when I do. My music is mainly tonal-centered. However, I still try and incorporate elements of "modernism" into my music in some form or other. I believe it is the creative artist's duty to try and reflect at least a part of the period in which they live.

Someone might criticize me for not being "modern enough", but they can't criticize me for not trying.

Originally Posted by QcCowboy

I'm just showing you that it hasn't "fallen out of the public eye, nor is it in a bad place at all! New music is as vibrant as ever. And as varied as ever.

Variation means little in terms of how popular it is. If you seriously take a look at the popularity of classical music compared to other genres, then yes, it has fallen out of the public eye. When I say "public eye", I don't mean just the current classical audience, as you seem to be referring to. I mean the entirety of music listeners, whether they be listening to rap, rock, jazz, classical, reggae, whatever. I'm not saying that more popular genres are bad, I'm just presenting my opinion.

Originally Posted by Voce

Variation means little in terms of how popular it is. If you seriously take a look at the popularity of classical music compared to other genres, then yes, it has fallen out of the public eye. When I say "public eye", I don't mean just the current classical audience, as you seem to be referring to. I mean the entirety of music listeners, whether they be listening to rap, rock, jazz, classical, reggae, whatever. I'm not saying that more popular genres are bad, I'm just presenting my opinion.

the audience for classical/art music is as large as it ever was.

it has barely changed. unfortunately, not growing exponentially.

however, if you compare it to the "audience" for rap, hiphop and dance music, then you are comparing apples and oranges. rap, hiphop and dance did not HAVE an audience 100 years ago which could be compared to the audience at that time for concert music.

Popular music as a mass-media commodity is a relatively modern invention. To compare the rapid growth of CDs, MP3 downloads, use in television, etc.. of pop music versus classical is an unfair comparison.

Any music audience has a considerably wider range of choices now than 100 years ago. The reality of music dissemination is considerably different now than it was in the previous centuries (19th, 18th, etc...), even when compared to the early 20th century.

Yes QcC, it think you missunderstod what i mean in my comments, like i said, there is much beautiful new music realy, its the atonal music i dont like, there is sure some good atonal music to! But art in genreal is walking away from the traditional art/music, as in paiting, you dont have to be very skilled with the pen, im many studies you dont even need to know much about how you use a pen, the most difficult ting to paint is landscape, humans, with shaddows and in 3d, if you paint a red line right across a white background that is the modern art, i was last week and looked at modern art, well some of the art was 15 buckets filled with water plased afer eachother forming a line.

And its this form of art and music i talk about, and that is what i dont like. I not criticizeing you QcC, you seem to know much about music and composition, and i realy want ot learn from you. I hope you understand what im talking about

ps i dont belive all modern music is atonal and nosie, you the music in the atonal genere.
but that is a subjective oppinion, i just say what i like, an other people may like it and i respect that. as in composition there is good to compose different music. like i said earlier all music is important!