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Old Apr 13 2008, 7:32 PM

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Concerto for Soprano Saxophone and Strings

I have just completed my first "major" work, a three movement, 18 minute concerto for soprano sax and strings. It's due to be performed in September, so I'd be very grateful if anyone felt like giving me some constructive criticism...being as 5 months is plenty of time to make any changes

This piece was written over the course of about 4 months, so there's quite a few different influences. The first movement's main theme was inspired by some of Gerald Finzi's works, while the middle section is shamelessly neo-classical! The 2nd movement owes alot to Poulenc (namely his clarinet sonata, 2nd mvt,). As for the 3rd movement...even I'm not totally sure where that came from! I was kind of trying to emulate the sort of Rondo form that's in the last movement of Mozart's clarinet concerto, and then mixed it with a bir of Dave Brubek! Plus I added in an improvised cadenza: something which has been sadly lacking since the end of the classical period.

Anyway...any kind of comment would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew Hopper
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Old Apr 22 2008, 4:07 AM

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cellos

I listened to your midi version and looked atthe score. I thought that if you had to divide one section it would have been better to divide the violas. You have a lot of high added note string chords and you will get a better blend with violins and violas.The first cello part or sometimes the second is fairly high and will stick out of the textures. You often leave the bass fairly unsupported and I would have put more cello/bass doubling. I understand that there is a need to accomodate 4-5 note chords but often you have 5 string parts above middle C with the bass dangling down the bottom.
Finally with some of your string sforzandos at the start and then at the end third movement, I would double notes and put chords into the vln and vla parts to give weight. Otherwise some of the high violin1 notes I assume are sforzandos will sound like squeaks.
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Old Apr 22 2008, 4:09 AM

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Oh yea and I forgot to say I really liked the Dave Brubeck 7/8 to 6/8 changes in the third movement. A great little theme.
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Old Apr 22 2008, 12:43 PM

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Thanks for the tips on scoring. I'm a cellist, so I suppose I'm a bit biased in that instrument's favour! Plus there's an excess of cellos where I live, so I figured it would be best to split them. I'll find out how many violas there will be, and depending on that, I might write in a vla II part. I have an annoying tendancy to slip into polarised textures, which is something I should probably work on avoiding (or rather, saving for specific moments).

I'm not looking forwards to conducting the last movement though. From my experience, string players aren't so good at irregular time signatures!
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Old Apr 24 2008, 4:57 AM

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nice music Andrew , i think it is better to put ur name on the midi file because if we want to download the file ur name will appear without write it again many times
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Old May 2 2008, 11:10 PM

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The first thing I'm noticing is that your dynamics are not bold. In order to make your dynamics bold, when you press Apple+E to get expressions, keep holding Apple when typing your dynamic. That will give your score a better look, and it will be easier for the performers. If you're not on a mac, use the equivalent key.
Also, make sure you have a time signature at the beginning.
The work is being difficult and not playing well in sibelius, so I hope those two tips helped.
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Old May 2 2008, 11:48 PM

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I would say that my main concern is that the solo part isn't particularly "saxophone-ish". Nothing about it says "this was written for the saxophone". You could use many different instruments there and not really cause any real change to the piece. Violin, clarinet, oboe, cello (8vb)... I guess I just want to try to get across that the solo part feels generic.

Other than that, I don't have any strong feelings about the piece.
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Old May 3 2008, 1:55 AM

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I wish i could hear the piece at a live performance.Please add more dynamics.
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Old May 4 2008, 12:17 AM

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I would say that my main concern is that the solo part isn't particularly "saxophone-ish".
I think that, given the tambre, tessitura, and harmonic language, said part works especially well for solo saxaphone.

So then what, in your expert opinion (as claimed in your signature), would characterize a "saxaphone-ish" solo?
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Old May 4 2008, 10:22 AM

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I'm currently working on a second version, which includes another viola part (and therefore a bit of reharmonisation), and, yes, more dynamics! (something which I've always been far too lazy about...oops)

In reply to Flint's comment - I'm also a woodwind player, though I am a clarinetist mainly. Oddly enough, this meant I found writing for sax to be a bit of a challenge, mainly due to it's relatively limited tessitura (it can't even do 3 octaves...rubbish ). But I do have some idea as to how wind instruments are written for, and any guidance from you as to how to make something more "saxophone" would be very much appreciated!

I know alot of sax music makes use of the instrument's jazzy and "shmaltzy" sounds, but I chose the soprano sax deliberately for it's pure, singing tone.

Thanks for all your replies,
Andrew
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