"Dark" Languages

Originally Posted by QcCowboy

gibberish.. like "Idt" and "ne"?

A word of warning: using "leet speak" like "ne" for "any" is frowned upon on this forum. It will probably result in an eventual infraction point for you. So I'd suggest cleaning it up

Ok, my bad. I don't mean to abbreviate. I will clean up my act. I am just so used to it from talking in AIM and I realize that it has really effected my writing.

Though i do believe that "leet speak" is more like.

1 H4T3 L33T S34K

Though, thats just me.


On the topic of simplified english. You should look into Newspeak it might not be good for this, but it has sort of a creepy inhuman quality about it.

I just finished what I have, though I'm not posting it...
I wrote it all down at the piano and then wrote it again on Rosegarden on my computer, but for some reason it wouldn't let me hear the playback, it did for about 5 notes then it just stopped.. so.. I have no real idea how it sounds... aw well, I'll just email it to my laptop and play it on there in the morning.

anyway, ima just stick to my gibberish for now, which i've named "Schazhosch" because one of the words is something like that..

And note360:
lol your shorthand from AIM.. I played Runescape and did AIM for so long with shorthand that I started writing essay's in school using 'r u 2 g2g brb' etc.. so then I vowed to never use shorthand... now I have the fastest typing in my school at 126 WPM

back on subject..

I'm like experimenting! The song is VERY repatative from the standpoint that you basically sing the same two mesures 4 times (because the words change) for each verse, and I had it originally to where verse 2 and verse 4 where the SAME, just different octaves..
SO. I experimented around and now I got verse 4 sounding SO MUCH COOLER and not repetitive AT ALL. So thanks to the guy who said experiment with stuff.
Also the drone is better, it's not straight eighth notes anymore.
The song sits at just over 4 minutes, I'm wondering if I should add one or two more verses to lengthen it out a little, but I know for sure I will be adding some soprano voices to intertwine with everything that is going on to hopefully loosen up it's repetitive-ness.

Don't get your hopes up thought for a great amazing wonderful song.. it's my first time actually trying to compose something, so.. yeah.. it'll probably be boring/bad/not what some people are expecting..

I'll muse a bit on the concept of using "made-up" vocal sounds in a piece of music, and the practical considerations for notating it, hopefully to somebody's benefit.

When trying to convey sounds of this kind through a score, it is absolutely necessary that your orthography is consistent and unambiguous; it is also highly desirable that it's efficient (there's one dedicated and unambiguous symbol or string of symbols for each phoneme), and it is helpful if it's familiar to prospective readers (like IPA, or a well-constructed derivative of a known language's writing system). If it is not perfectly familiar (in the sense that the exact realization is clear to any reader--even if it requires going to the library for a minute, like IPA to most people), you absolutely must explain what every symbol means, and any other peculiarities necessary to realize your score. Take some time to think about these points.

Make sure that, in the process of writing, you are conceiving of the sounds first, and then finding the most effective way of transcribing it into writing. Do not fall for the temptation to make up written words that look cool, but leave you doubting as to their exact pronunciation. Keep in mind that the writing is only there to tell the performer what, exactly, his oral cavity should be doing. Any emotional or associative meaning should come from the sound itself, not the look of your score.


The above is quite general, but having looked at your text, I have some specifics as well:

1. First and foremost, it's not nearly familiar enough (to use my ad hoc terminology from above) not to require a legend. If you like, I can further elaborate on all the seeming inconsistencies, ambiguities or unfamiliarities I see, but that can wait for now, and in the remaining points I'll stick to a couple of obvious ones. If you provide a more detailed explanation, I could comment it.

2. You use the r with caron (ř) quite a bit. Now, this is letter that AFAIK only occurs in Czech, and represents a sound (some sort of cross between a fricative and a trill that I genuinely don't understand as of yet) that also occurs pretty much only in Czech. Is that the sound you intend? It seems to be leaps and bounds away from everything else as far as ease of pronunciation goes, in that case.

3. You use multiple letters quite a bit (from two to nearly fifteen). My guess is that it represents in writing the rhythms you intend... is it going to look like that in the score? If not, it's hard to see from your current text which doublings (and more) mean something and which don't.

4. There's an asterisk in there. Mistake?

Originally Posted by EldKatt

The above is quite general, but having looked at your text, I have some specifics as well:

1. First and foremost, it's not nearly familiar enough (to use my ad hoc terminology from above) not to require a legend. If you like, I can further elaborate on all the seeming inconsistencies, ambiguities or unfamiliarities I see, but that can wait for now, and in the remaining points I'll stick to a couple of obvious ones. If you provide a more detailed explanation, I could comment it.

2. You use the r with caron (ř) quite a bit. Now, this is letter that AFAIK only occurs in Czech, and represents a sound (some sort of cross between a fricative and a trill that I genuinely don't understand as of yet) that also occurs pretty much only in Czech. Is that the sound you intend? It seems to be leaps and bounds away from everything else as far as ease of pronunciation goes, in that case.

3. You use multiple letters quite a bit (from two to nearly fifteen). My guess is that it represents in writing the rhythms you intend... is it going to look like that in the score? If not, it's hard to see from your current text which doublings (and more) mean something and which don't.

4. There's an asterisk in there. Mistake?

thanks for pointing all that out.

1. I totally forgot to put a legend down at the bottom, the asterisk I stuck in there to help me remember (but I totally forgot to put it in there anyway!)

2. The 'R' with the Caron to me represented a rolled R sound, I was going to put that in the legend.

3. The multiple letters just helped remind me where to put the longer notes, it means absolutley nothing and in the score it's just single letters.
*HOWEVER* I DID put a few double letters (e.g. aa and ii) which gives a different sound, also to be put int he legend.

4. The asterisk was there to help me remember that a) I need to put a legend and b) the word "ske" which the asterisk was beside I wanted to sound more like "ska" or a "skae" sound.



thanks for pointing all that out!

you can hear what I so far have here but it's not that great.. sorry if I disappoint.

Originally Posted by Smart_A1ec

thanks.
If anyone has ever played Samus 3: Corruption then there is a song on there that sounds a bit like what I want to write... I'm just debating weather to make the drone like the one on the game or like one I had originally planned.. the one on the game sounds a lot cooler because it's not just straight eighth notes, it's like dotted eight-sixteenth notes.

Yes I've played the game and I think I know the track you're talking about! Is it the one where you're on the second planet (the one with the fire) and there are a few giant statues lying around the place?

By the way, I've been a fan of metroid games since I played Super Metroid aged 8. Some of my favourite video game music came from that game and I think you'd like it. Look up Super Metroid music on youtube. It's a bit different from the gamecube games, but you might find it interesting nonetheless!

Yeah, the second level with the big statues.. Birro or something I believe.