From the Harems of the Gong Palace-Rebab/spike fiddle music

If you want us to take you seriously, don't link to another site.

POST some of your music here.

And post a score, not a video.

What's wrong with video? O.K. Score too.

But seriously, at least with popular styles of music, they are not known for being stored in the form of a score. Even with classical music, the score isn't the music. Do you want a map of your destination or the actual destination?

The Beatles didn't use scores and hopefully we all take them VERY seriously.

Originally Posted by Gongchime

But seriously, at least with popular styles of music, they are not known for being stored in the form of a score. Even with classical music, the score isn't the music. Do you want a map of your destination or the actual destination?

Considering the material you are putting before us, I want justification.

You are expounding theories about musical creation that are just off-the-wall and untenable. I want to hear and SEE how you apply those theories to create music.

Originally Posted by Gongchime

I didn't hear any requests to post my music. In any event it can be heard at MySpace.com - Greg - Las Vegas /Bali, Indonesia - Ambient / Electronica / Experimental - www.myspace.com/gongchime which in fact, was posted more than once. My music has been in the top 10 on broadjam and in several have been in the number one position for months. World music artist of the year in both Korea and India, Aparna Panshikar, sings on my tune River of Stars.

True he has posted his myspace page more than once, but not once did he ask for feedback or opinions...

And btw... time for sarcasm to kick in:

WOAH! top 10 in broadjam? WOAH! Fantastic!

I have several compositions which have not only been forwarded to listings on Taxi, the largest independant A&R company in the world, but also accepted into music libraries which were part of the listings forwarded to. All without a single guitar, bass, drum kit or keyboard. My theories are not unsubstantiated since a link to an appropriate scholarly article accompanied my theories as supporting evidence.

Isn't TAXI subscription based and most serious composers I know piss on it?

Music libraries? What's the deal then? Rights? Publishing rights? I can also push my stuff into music libraries is not some kind of feat...

I majored in music education at Northern Arizona university and I studied for my master's degree in music composition at Keimyung University in Daegu, South Korea from professor Lee Seung Seon and also studied ethnomusicology from professor Park Mi Kyeung: expert on the music of Korean shamanism.

Well done on that! That's the only interesting thing you mentioned in this post. The rest are crap!

I forgot to mention that the music accepted into the libraries also were without chords per se.

Libraries accept audio files (depending on the library of course), so no chords in any score are needed, if you mean that.

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As for chicken, etc... pay closer attention. Manos has posted a video, I have posted 2 videos with myself playing the piano, and several compositions, and so has manos. QCC certainly has posted several stuff. Robin? Videos, masterclasses, audio, scores, you name it! So, you have to be kidding us really!

No scores are needed. Just one small gesture from you to GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!

So, come down on the guy who posted a video instead of on the guy who said "Is this a joke?" about it just because you've known him longer? Around here, high horse probably required.

Originally Posted by Gongchime

So, come down on the guy who posted a video instead of on the guy who said "Is this a joke?" about it just because you've known him longer? Around here, high horse probably required.

Look Greg, you posted "click on the video for a performance, we are the sultans..."

So, what exactly does that mean to us? nothing. We see some white dood in a hoody scratching away at some asian instrument we are unfamiliar with.

How exactly do you expect people to react? "whoa! dude! that is way awesome and kewl!"??

Is "we are the sultans" the name of the song? is it your opinion of your particular group of friends? the name of your band? jsut some tossed-off comment?

Is that video of you? YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING!

And then you wonder why people react the way they do?

Come on. Grow up.

I actually find Manos question genuine.

My first post in this thread, was a question regarding YOUR opinion, the fact that I'm not impressed the least, since I'm Greek and I don't fancy world music either way and not much more. I realy can't see how Manos is exchibiting him being on a high horse or anything simmilar. Really I don't.

Either way. For the record, the rhythmic stuff that you posted, I found very useful, despite the huge chunks of text surrounding them. The rest of the stuff are indiferent to me and this seems simply weird, without any explanation.

As I said, I've posted 1 (or 2 I think) videos with my self playing piano. I explained what it was, where it took place, why the quality is so bad and so on. Why don't you present your video in a normal way and make a normal discussion about it, instead of posting nothing always or everything and going "my subject is the whole issue, there's nothing more inside, if you don't get it you are morons..." sort of it...

Before you go on assuming stuff about me, my relationship with anybody in here, and why I said why I said, care to read previous posts in the same thread, please!

Any 'tard with a $20 quickcam and an internet connection can post a video. In fact, most do... what do you think YouTube is?

Similarly, any 'tard can bang on an instrument and pretend they're cool. In fact, most do... what do you think popular music comes from?

You want respect? Show us actual measurable knowledge, not pseudo-scientific garbage.

Originally Posted by Gongchime

For those who think this is a joke, we don't see your videos up here anywhere. What, are ya chicken? Haha

My videos and works are here, as is everybody else's. Along with these videos are explanations of the when, why and how. Dip your tongue in your brain and do some research, before insulting, 'ya' hear me?

If you think that what you posted is 'art', at least without an explanation, think twice. For example, in the studio in which I record, there are always traditional intruments around, an erhu included (which is very similar to waht you're playing). And we jam, just for the fun (joke) of it. You sound half as good, if not less.

If the word 'joke' insults you, explain to me why I should take something like this seriously.

At the risk of sounding redundant, part of what we do here is discussion. We all know that music exists in the performance and that a score is merely a representation of what the music will be, but it makes for greater discussion if we can read along with what we're listening to so that we may more accurately discuss the details of the piece.

And, I still say that this is in the wrong zone. This area is for discussions on composition theory and you've posted a video of someone (presumably yourself?) playing an Asian string instrument that one can see coming in or out of any subway in NYC. I don't see how the two relate, and if it were intended as a discussion starter, then you should have started a discussion.

On a totally different note, as a lyricist and playwright who enjoys the works of William Shakespeare, Tennessee Williams, Stephen Sondheim and Sam Shepard, among others, I appreciated your discussion of rhythms in melodic lines, because the natural poetry in language fascinates me. it was interesting to theorize and discuss language as it applies to music.