I hate pop music

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

Originally Posted by Floydman

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

He did more than that.......

Originally Posted by Floydman

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

If that is your stereotype of Vivaldi and his contemporaries, then I honestly don't believe you've listen to much of his music (or know much about Baroque). What about his sacred music? Surely his music deviates from the authentic cadence everyone "loves."

But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions.

OMG wtf?

lol

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Seriously, look at the music for more than the first two chords.

Country music does that.

Originally Posted by Floydman

I think everything has basically been covered. But what about the likes of Vivaldi, he rarely, if ever strays from I V i, chords in his compositions. Is this simple and bad music then.

Vivaldi is not the first person who comes to my mind when I think of classical music that doesn't stray from I-V-I, although I can sort of see what you're getting at.

Perhaps a better example may be the ländlers or German dances by Franz Schubert; in a lot of these pieces one can indeed find moments in which the music doesn't really stray from I-V-I harmonically. But this harmonic simplicity is always compensated for by Schubert's incredible melodic invention, which makes these little pieces interesting and profound nonetheless. And therefore, Schubert's simplicity differs substantially from the simplicity found in pop music that doesn't stray from I-V-I, because in this kind of pop music, harmonic simplicity is almost never compensated for by any melodic invention, contrapuntal richness or formal complexity, let alone emotional depth. So whereas a Schubert ländler may be simplistic without being (emotionally) simple-minded, most pop music is always both simplistic AND simple-minded.

Pop music has become a dangerous, rapidly spreading "cultural virus", which gradually infects all cultures, reducing musical experience to the level of mere auditory wallpaper and eventually destroying musical intelligence altogether.

Originally Posted by gianluca

Pop music has become a dangerous, rapidly spreading "cultural virus", which gradually infects all cultures, reducing musical experience to the level of mere auditory wallpaper and eventually destroying musical intelligence altogether.

And there we go again...

Honestly had you writen a book about this, with logical arguments, bibliography, research, study, etc, and not including your persona, biased, opinions, I would have little trouble accepting it as a concluding phrase.

Right now, you've done nothing towards that, so I can't really see the point of you going on and accusing pop. Not to mention, that thankfully pop is around, otherwise the world would be in deep, deep shit!

(Not that I don't see where you come from, but I simply can't stand huge generalisations)

Originally Posted by gianluca

...[in] pop music, harmonic simplicity is almost never compensated for by any melodic invention, contrapuntal richness or formal complexity, let alone emotional depth. So whereas a Schubert ländler may be simplistic without being (emotionally) simple-minded, most pop music is always both simplistic AND simple-minded.

Pop music has become a dangerous, rapidly spreading "cultural virus", which gradually infects all cultures, reducing musical experience to the level of mere auditory wallpaper and eventually destroying musical intelligence altogether.

Seriously, as many of us probably told you 10-pages ago, if you actually listened to some pop music with an unbiased ear, you'd realize that your statements are full of shit. "Most pop music? Always simplistic?"

We know your position, please stop dredging it up by rehashing your weak and ill-considered non-argument.

Thanks.

Wow has this argument really been going on for 4 + months. Gianluca have all of your posts only been in this thread?

Well,

me with 1300 posts and robin with 2275 have no such issues. We post continuously, wherever we can!