I would just like to say...

why do you like music arcticwind7?

why do you like music arcticwind7?

Music is pointless. But I love it. Physics makes it appealing to us. Should I ignore it just because it is based in science? Life has no point either, but I love life... should I kill myself? Love is only a relation to lust and there for children, should I therefore hate?

Originally Posted by ArcticWind7

Please point out something that cannon be explained through the sciences?

...Crop circles?

Cliché though it may be, they cannot be explained scientifically...at least, not yet.

Originally Posted by ArcticWind7

Music is pointless. But I love it. Physics makes it appealing to us. Should I ignore it just because it is based in science? Life has no point either, but I love life... should I kill myself? Love is only a relation to lust and there for children, should I therefore hate?

Interesting when you think about it doesnt everything seem pointless?

Cliché though it may be, they cannot be explained scientifically...at least, not yet.

Only if you believe the hype are they non scientifically explainable.

...however, I meant musically.

Interesting when you think about it doesnt everything seem pointless?

In the long run, yes. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy them though.

However, tools like writing do have a purpose (within the context of a purposeless life): to communicate.

Originally Posted by ArcticWind7

Music is pointless. ...Physics makes it appealing to us.

Physics makes it appealing to you. What makes it appealing to me is the human element - the spirit, passion, energy behind it. Good luck explaining Coltrane's free improv in scientific terms. It's powerful, but, were it all simply physics - why would we all not feel that power? Why doesn't music affect/effect us all? The overtones are moving the same way, our eardrums vibrate at the same frequencies, yet I like, you don't, he/she/it hates.

There's something inherently spiritual in music, and the only pointless thing about it, is trying to quantify it in scientific terms.

...however, I meant musically.

Well, this may seem like I'm circumventing the issue, but when any composer sits down to write a piece -- moreover, when a composer receives inspiration from any given source, where does that derive from? How can inspiration be explained scientifically?

Physics makes it appealing to you.

Tonal music is appealing because of physics behind it regardless of if people know that.

What makes it appealing to me is the human element - the spirit, passion, energy behind it. Good luck explaining Coltrane's free improv in scientific terms. It's powerful, but, were it all simply physics - why would we all not feel that power? Why doesn't music affect/effect us all? The overtones are moving the same way, our eardrums vibrate at the same frequencies, yet I like, you don't, he/she/it hates.

Because it is trained....... If I listened to enough of Contrane (I do have Cold Trane btw...) I would too enjoy it.

There's something inherently spiritual in music, and the only pointless thing about it, is trying to quantify it in scientific terms.

People in this forum, state something then refuse to back anything up....

Well, this may seem like I'm circumventing the issue, but when any composer sits down to write a piece -- moreover, when a composer receives inspiration from any given source, where does that derive from? How can inspiration be explained scientifically?

Could someone who has never seen or heard a piece by Mozart write one in a similar style? Inspiration is from experience, Clichés in music one leans, consciously or not. There are also methods in starting a piece. Harmonies to follow. Tradition, teachers, piers, parents. Everything come to play. Mainly though, it is what you have heard before you. Innovators are rarely good at what they do, it is those that follow that make it great.

Er.....to try and bring this thread back to what originally was about....

I agree very much with what Qccowboy....it's not necessary to like all types of music, or listen to every type of music all the time, unless of course you want to. Respecting all music should be encouraged, sure, but I would hate that anyone who doesn't listen to jazz or rock or something be called close minded....perhaps they just don't like it much .

Originally Posted by ArcticWind7

Could someone who has never seen or heard a piece by Mozart write one in a similar style? Inspiration is from experience, Clichés in music one leans, consciously or not. There are also methods in starting a piece. Harmonies to follow. Tradition, teachers, piers, parents. Everything come to play. Mainly though, it is what you have heard before you. Innovators are rarely good at what they do, it is those that follow that make it great.

Yes, it could happen. The probability is pretty low, but it could happen. How did what we know as music come to be today, especially considering the void of information left by the Dark Ages? Intuition had to guide us along in some way. There were very few sources of musical information, no jumpstart guides lying around. We had to develop these things ourselves, and not judging by what we had heard before.