If a piece sounds good to me, does that mean it's good?

Originally Posted by almacg

Deal with it! I actually predicted you'd write that! Shame on us for wasting our time once again...!

It's upto you to decide whether a fart is as valuable as a symphony. My decision as to why I do not want to value a fart as much as a symphony is obvious. I fart about 100 times a day, and I'm not the only one. If you think that something that anybody can do, with no training, effort, or even intention in some people's cases is as impressive or as emotionally enfused as any sympony, then I expect to see you pay money to go and see somebody walk on stage, fart, and then walk off in the near future. Except you won't, because you don't really believe what you are saying.

It is important to have a universal or cultural standard. Should we encourage flatulence as an art, merely because philosophically speaking it is artistically viable? Should we put particularly flatulent children into the high-flyers class, merely for the fact that they can fart? If somebody gets into the 'high-flyers' music or even english class it won't be through their ability to fart, it will be through their musical or linguistic abilities. Why? Because farting is not as artistically viable as rare talents or skills in a sane world.

When you have kids, I hope for your sake that they are particularly gassy.

Oh and I suppose that dog being murdered for an art exhibition (thanks to Guillermo Habacuc Vargas) is good merely because some sick people like to see dogs dying?

I wasn't debating with you. It wasn't a SUGGESTION or a COMMENT, I ordered your ass to DEAL with the reality that YOU are WRONG and that YOUR OPINION will BITE YOU in the ass the moment you even slightly veer off your own stupid bias for any single reason.

The sooner you accept this, the better it'll be for you as an artist. Period.

But is a fart as artistically viable as a symphony?

Let me tell you a little story. A true story.

I bought a CD that had piano music with "Whale Songs" in the background. I thought it would be great to listen to this nice relaxing piano music with whale songs in the back ground.

I put it in the CD player and laid down to go to bed. The piano music started (Clair de Lune by Debussy) and it was nice a slow and well-played. And then the whales started singing.

Well, the first thing that ran though my mind was that it didn't sound like a whale all at all. It sounded to me like a constipated ape in a jungle trying to relieve itself to no avail. As the whales continued to 'sing' the only picture I could see in my mind what this constipated ape in the jungle trying to have a bowel movement.

I laughed so hard I actually laughed myself to sleep.

Well that's not the end of the story.

I didn't want to give up on this thing so I had to figure out a way to "save the whales". So what I did was set up an aquarium next to my bed. Seriously I did. I figured that the bubbling water would help me to envision the ocean. Also started studying photographs of whales and started imagining whales in the deep ocean. Then I went to bed again and put the CD and this time I was able to focus on images of whales. And I could really get into.

I'm not joking either. This is a true story. But I think one thing that it truly points out is that we often associate sounds with what we think is making them. The very same sounds can sound like a constipated ape howling in a jungle or a whale singing mating calls in the deep ocean. And how your mind perceives this same sound in two entirely different ways can actually create two entirely differnet experiences.

So when you ask if a 'fart' an artistically viable sound perhaps not, if you know that's what produced the sound. However, if this same sound was coming from some exotic instrument from some foreign culture and you accept it as being that you may very well accept those very same sounds as being artistically viable.

I truly believe that everything is subjective ultimately.

Of course, that's just my subjective opinion.

Originally Posted by Abracadabra

So when you ask if a 'fart' an artistically viable sound perhaps not, if you know that's what produced the sound. However, if this same sound was coming from some exotic instrument from some foreign culture and you accept it as being that you may very well accept those very same sounds as being artistically viable.

A brilliant example of what I'm talking about, thanks!

Originally Posted by Abracadabra

So when you ask if a 'fart' an artistically viable sound perhaps not, if you know that's what produced the sound. However, if this same sound was coming from some exotic instrument from some foreign culture and you accept it as being that you may very well accept those very same sounds as being artistically viable.

That is a good point. However, if it was being produced by an exotic instrument that took years to learn to play and to master, but the end result was indistringuishable from a fart, then it might as well be a fart! Would so many people bother to learn to play the violin if it sounded like a fart, or indeed if it sounded like something that could be produced or replicated by every single human being on the planet? There is a desire to value the violinist more than there is to value the farty-bottomed..

I don't think anybody really can possibly believe in total subjectivity of everything. There are times when you have to let your biases and instincts drive your actions. Is racism acceptable for instance? Subjectively it is not, but philosophically you could argue that is isn't. For the good of mankind it is NOT! The same goes for artistic standards. It is something I care passionately about, I do not believe that farting should be considered as artistically viable as symphonic writing, in the same way I don't think farting should be considered as comical as situation comedy!

Originally Posted by almacg

I fart about 100 times a day.

I'm glad to hear that.

I've been farting about 25 times a day and I was starting to worry that I was having a problem. I looked it up though and found that about 15 to 25 farts a day is normal. So I'm still hanging in there as pretty normal.

I am going to start watching my diet though and see if I can get back into the middle of the normal range at least.

Originally Posted by Abracadabra

I'm glad to hear that.

I've been farting about 25 times a day and I was starting to worry that I was having a problem. I looked it up though and found that about 15 to 25 farts a day is normal. So I'm still hanging in there as pretty normal.

I am going to start watching my diet though and see if I can get back into the middle of the normal range at least.

I have too much fibre in my diet, but at the very least I can claim to be a prolific artist!

Oh and SSC once again you talk about subjectivity, wave it around like a trophy girlfriend and yet: I AM WRONG! Just a little ironic?

The sooner you realise that expressing an opinion is not as bad as telling people 'to get shit through their head', you'll be a better human being...

Originally Posted by almacg

Oh and SSC once again you talk about subjectivity, wave it around like a trophy girlfriend and yet: I AM WRONG!

um...yes?

Originally Posted by almacg

I have too much fibre in my diet, but at the very least I can claim to be a prolific artist!

Oh and SSC once again you talk about subjectivity, wave it around like a trophy girlfriend and yet: I AM WRONG! Just a little ironic?

The sooner you realise that expressing an opinion is not as bad as telling people 'to get shit through their head', you'll be a better human being...

Got the part where I said I wasn't debating you?

Get it now?

Originally Posted by Voce

um...yes?

Exactly.

Originally Posted by SSC

Got the part where I said I wasn't debating you?

Get it now?

Good, maybe I can discuss this with some people who don't react so bizarrely and violently to differing opinions. Infact please, for the love of God don't reply to my posts ever again and I won't reply to yours. Don't even read them for fear of what might happen!