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Old Sep 8 2007, 1:51 PM

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Yeah, I kind of figured out that you were really busy; I will do it again - with piano, right?

Is it possible to use the same motif but fix the errors, but completely change the harmony?
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Old Sep 8 2007, 3:48 PM

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I have used the same motif, taken away a few rests and applied a completely new harmony - I am not sure if this harmony works that well, but I made sure that melody and harmony fit together a bit better. Is the last measure ok? I listened to it again and again and looked at it even more, and something told me that it was wrong - maybe I am wrong. Things have not really been working out since I got ill

Anyway, patiently waiting for a redo or another exercise
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Old Sep 8 2007, 6:17 PM

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the reason the final measure sounds funny to you is that it is a 2nd inversion chord.

generally, 2nd inversion chords are too ambiguous to use as the final chord of a piece. they have the dominant as the bass note, rather than teh tonic.
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Old Sep 9 2007, 2:58 AM

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AH, damn, how did I fail to spot that Yes, my piano teacher told me a bit about them, that inversions of a chord don't have a 'solid' feel of the chord you are in i.e C Major if I used the 2nd inversion, it wouldn't have as 'solid' feeling of being in C Major, compared to when using the root chord which gives a 'solid' feeling that one does.

Something I noticed while trying to figure out a harmony was that the melody can change drastically by only changing the harmony slightly - I knew that before, but never that it had such an impact. I mean if you only listen to the melody it sounds rather happy, when I apply the harmony then it sounds, in the beginning of the phrase, very miserable (probably because I started in A min) and slowly becomes more and more lighthearted. Bah, never mind was just typing my mind

I guess I shall give it another try since no new exercise has been given?
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Old Sep 13 2007, 9:57 AM

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how about starting a piece for piano.
not too complicated, but something with a definate form.

1. establish the form in advance.

2. create distinctive thematic material

don't start composing the whole thing just yet... start with some thematic ideas. let's see how you could develop them.


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for non-traditional harmony, there are a few things you could consider.

chords can be inverted for different effects (as you've noticed with the 2nd inversion effect).

harmony can be transposd on itself. what this means is that you take a chord (this is supposing that you are not working with simply major/minor chord) and transpose the entire chord structure onto every note of the original chord.

for example:
if you decided to go with a chord of C - E - F# - B - D
you would transpose the entire thing onto E, then onto F#, onto B, and finally on D.

This works well when dealing with chords that don't necessarily have a traditional directionality to them (chords that don't lead to a destination "by sound").

When building melodic material around your harmonic base, remember that too many melodic notes that are NOT part of the harmony will cut the connection between the melody and the harmony.

This is where counterpoint rules come into play: when you use a non-harmonic tone in the melody (which is the equivalent of a dissonant tone in traditional counterpoint) it should have some sort of preparation and resolution to a harmonic tone.

this could mean:
  • passing note (between two notes of the harmony)
  • appogiatura (unprepared non-harmonic tone that resolves down onto the harmonic tone)
  • suspension (prepared note from the previous harmony that becomes dissonant to the new harmony and resolves down into the new harmony)
  • neighbour tone (note that is foreign to the harmony but is surrounded on each side by the same note which IS part of the harmony)

the more distant your harmonic material is from common practice, in my opinion, the more important these principles are and their use leads to coherance in your melodic/harmonic relationship.

This is, of course, going on the assumption that you are working from a harmonic framework and assigning melodic material to that.

If you start from an entirely contrapuntal point of view, the approach will be a little bit different.

Ideally, you should be working from a number of approaches to give a truly satisfying result - harmonically, contrapuntally, and purely melodically.
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Old Sep 18 2007, 11:42 AM

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I am so sorry for being a bit inactive, and not too productive. School has totally devoured so much of my time, since I have many various projects which I need to take care of. I will try to do as much as possible during the week-ends.

I'll try to be done with the lesson exercise and the Orchestration Exercise soon
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