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Does Anyone Link back to a great composer through their teacher ??

Mine is as follows

J.S Bach
J.C Bach
Mozart
Hummel
Czerny
Liszt
Martin Krause
Claudio Arrau
Mark McGee
Akhil Gardner

Heres another One (The one I Preffer - Coz Beethoven's in it)

J.S Bach
C.P.E Bach (Taught Neefe)
Haydn & Neefe
Beethoven
Czerny
Liszt
Martin Krause
Claudio Arrau
Mark McGee
Akhil Gardner

See the "Boulanger Numbers" thread in Off-Topic. I've already traced back as far as Gabriel Faure. And Nadia Boulanger being who she was*, I would say that a very substantial percentage of serious music students in the United States can include Faure in their musical lineage.

Therefore, the single most common musical lineage in America (which is mine as well) is:

Giovanni Battista Sammartini
Luigi Cherubini
Jacques Halevy
Camille Saint-Saens
Gabriel Faure
Nadia Boulanger
(any of a large number of American musicians)
...
...

An alternate lineage from Boulanger:

Louis Couperin
Charles Broche
François-Adrien Boieldieu
Pierre-Joseph-Guillaume Zimmermann (who also studied under Cherubini)
Cesar Franck
Charles-Marie Widor
Nadia Boulanger
...



* Boulanger had perhaps the most illustrious list of students of any teacher in history. Her students included over a hundred Americans. Some of Boulanger's most prominent students (not all of whom were American) include:

Daniel Barenboim
Leonard Bernstein
Elliott Carter
Aaron Copland
David Diamond
John Eliot Gardiner
Philip Glass
Roy Harris
Quincy Jones (and hence a foothold into the jazz world)
Astor Piazzola
Walter Piston
Henryk Szeryng
Virgil Thomson

It's pretty sweet that you two have teachers who link you through like this.
I could have commented on the boulanger thread, but i would have felt beaten down by the large amount of people with links, lol.
I have no idea who taught my teachers. Probably noone famous.
Did claudio arrau teach your teacher akhil?

I think i read about your various meetings with nadia boulanger students/links.
That's really cool. Daniel Barenboim is one of my favourite pianists.
Btw, i think that one:

Giovanni Battista Sammartini
Luigi Cherubini
Jacques Halevy
Camille Saint-Saens
Gabriel Faure
Nadia Boulanger[/b]

Is slightly better, lol. Franck doesn't rate too highly with me.
Gotta go ask my teacher.....lol...

You'd be surprised at what links you can find. I was just mentioning a shared musical lineage that a very large number of American musicians have.

Hi Caltech Violinist,

I'm not merely mentioning Links

I mean spending years studying with a certain techer - not professional encounters. And every name In my list has spent years (In my case 1) studying privately with the person/composer whose name above theirs - so It's not merely a game or "Six degrees of Separation" (I've read the book)!!

Yes Daniel, My teacher won a scholarship to study with Arrau for over a handfull of years when he was 17 - You can google all of us on that list - to prove it's not merely a " Social " game.

Thanks

Akhil G.

From Boulanger up, I'm counting exactly the same as you. And when I posted that thread, I was looking for shortest paths to Boulanger. If you want a serious musical lineage for me, requiring a minimum of one year of study, for example, then the best I can come up with is:

Giovanni Battista Sammartini
Luigi Cherubini
Jacques Halevy
Camille Saint-Saens
Gabriel Faure
Lucille Descaves
Jean-Yves Thibaudet
Dariusz Pawlas
Anna Golka
Andrew Hsieh

In my case, Mrs. Golka, who was my piano teacher when I was younger, is the only teacher I've actually had for any significant length of time. Of course, I have a much more direct path to Faure, if studying biology (not music) with someone counts.

And Jacob's musical lineage, in that thread, is absolutely without question.

Originally posted by Maestro Akhil Gardner@Nov 8 2005, 05:02 AM
[b]Hi Caltech Violinist,

I'm not merely mentioning Links

I mean spending years studying with a certain techer - not professional encounters. And every name In my list has spent years (In my case 1) studying privately with the person/composer whose name above theirs - so It's not merely a game or "Six degrees of Separation" (I've read the book)!!

Yes Daniel, My teacher won a scholarship to study with Arrau for over a handfull of years when he was 17 - You can google all of us on that list - to prove it's not merely a " Social " game.

Thanks

Akhil G.

It's ok, I know them (apart from the Krause fellow)
That's awesome. I have some beethoven sonatas by Arrau.

My composition's teacher is Joel Hoffman at CCM. Which his teacher was Elliot Carter who's teacher was Nadia Boulanger, and then yup you get the picture.

Yah its amazing how everybody has these connections, especially in music. When I first found these facts out I realized how small this world is. 7 billion isn't so big anymore.