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Old Feb 10 2008, 7:29 AM

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bah, Dmitri Schostakovitch's Symphony no. 14 has 11 movements.
Hi Michel,

Yes, but at the time when Mahler was living, this was quite unusual to have 6 mov in a symphony!

I know that he also was a big fan of Gustav Mahler... he actually sounds best when he is Mahlerian!
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Old Feb 10 2008, 1:54 PM

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Hi Michel,

Yes, but at the time when Mahler was living, this was quite unusual to have 6 mov in a symphony!

I know that he also was a big fan of Gustav Mahler... he actually sounds best when he is Mahlerian!
I think he sounds best when he's Shostakovichian, myself.


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Old Feb 13 2008, 12:16 PM

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Mahler was quite the composer actually
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Old Feb 13 2008, 8:58 PM

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Oh, I agree, for sure. However, I disagree that he sounds best when imitating another composer.
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Old Feb 20 2008, 12:23 AM

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Oh, I agree, for sure. However, I disagree that he sounds best when imitating another composer.
He sounds best when he is influenced by Gustav Mahler... not imitating Mahler... imitating is for beginners...!

Schosta and Gustav don't have to imitate!
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He sounds best when he is influenced by Gustav Mahler... not imitating Mahler... imitating is for beginners...!

Schosta and Gustav don't have to imitate!
Schostakowitch "sounds best" in his 10th symphony (a work considered by many musicologists and historians as one of his finest), and I don't think anyone could say that was a work "influenced" by Mahler.
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Old Feb 22 2008, 2:13 AM

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Schostakowitch "sounds best" in his 10th symphony (a work considered by many musicologists and historians as one of his finest), and I don't think anyone could say that was a work "influenced" by Mahler.
I don't agree! I saw and heard the Moscow Symphony Orchestra perform his "Leningrad" symphony in Stockholm 1977 with Evgeny Svetlanov! That was mindblowing...will never forget

His greatest symphony is the "LENINGRAD SYMPHONY NR 7 Op. 60"

Okay, this thread is about MAHLER not SCHOSTA!

In the standard repetoire of today! Gustav Mahler's symphony nr 3 is the longest symphony in the world

Mahler's greatest symphonies is the nr 5 (with the famous Adagietto), and the nr 6 The Tragic!


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Schostakowitch "sounds best" in his 10th symphony (a work considered by many musicologists and historians as one of his finest), and I don't think anyone could say that was a work "influenced" by Mahler.
Well, perhaps you are correct, but I have an article that proves that he was infact influenced by gustav Mahler so...
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Well, perhaps you are correct, but I have an article that proves that he was infact influenced by gustav Mahler so...
No, actually, you have an article that STATES that he was influenced by Mahler.

There is a difference between stating something and proving it.
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Well, perhaps you are correct, but I have an article that proves that he was infact influenced by gustav Mahler so...
Thanks Romanticist,

Finally someone that cares about facts...

The Mahler society in Vienna will assist us in sorting out the details!

Usually, when I start an investigation like the one I'm actually going to start, the administrators of where the thread is will delete the evidences! Just wait and see! (Ironic lol!)

Meaning that... when I'm about to get the real final facts, the page you are reading right now will be deleted just wait and see everybody!!

I want to add that I have listened a lot to Mahler's symphonies to know that some of the episodes in Schosta's symphonies are very Mahlerian indeed...!

Here is a little cold snack before the hot dishes arrive!

an episode from the famous Dmitrij Schostakowitsch biography by Solomon Volkow:

"Schostakowitsch hatte die ausssterbende Form der Symphonie wiederbelebt; für ihn war sie die ideale Form, Gefühle und Gedanken, die ihn bewegten, zum Ausdruck zu bringen. In der Fünften verarbeitete er auch die Einflüsse der Komponisten Strawinskij, Prokovfjew und vor allem Gustav Mahlers, um zu seinem eigenen, unnachahmlichen, individuellen Stil zu gelangen."

from "Die Memoiren des Dmitrij Schostakowitsch" - Every word in this biography was approved by the composer who also wrote his own signature in it! Amazon here.

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