Modern Composition John Cage

Originally Posted by Nirvana69

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there. The opposite of music is rap.

This is the worst post of this thread

Originally Posted by SimenN

haha, typical modernist, allways a interlectual interpretation and philoshopical thoughts!
Music = Music
Silence = Silence.

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Nevermind, this is the worst post. Simen, I hope for your sake that you never use Wikipedia as a source in a research paper in college because you will get a big fat F. Of course, you'd actually have to make it that far......

Originally Posted by Gardener

There isn't a shorter version of the piece, because the piece Cage wrote has no defined length. It is a very common mistake that Cage actually wrote a piece called 4'33" and that it lasts 4'33".

Actually the piece just tells the performer to play three movements of TACET. The duration isn't specified and is up to the performer. The piece is called after how long the performer chooses to make it last.

At the world premiere it was played for 4'33'', so from then on it was generally called 4'33'', but actually it could also be called "two hours", "1 ms", or "a day", depending on how long the performer chooses to play.

No, that was a revised score for the piece. The original score that Cage submitted for publishing had 3 clearly defined movement lengths, and it was indeed supposed to be 4'33". Where did you get this story from?



You know, I'm actually kind of disgusted with this thread, the absolute ignorance of SimenN is astounding. I can understand not agreeing with the ideas of Cage, but the belligerence I just do not understand. I'M 17 I'M RIGHT AND I ALWAYS WILL BE RIGHT MUSIC MUST BE WHAT I SAY IT IS AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I mean, seriously? SimenN, who are you to even make such crazy statements, you need to come back down to planet Earth, friend. I love people on the internet with big egos

Originally Posted by gms5287

No, that was a revised score for the piece. The original score that Cage submitted for publishing had 3 clearly defined movement lengths, and it was indeed supposed to be 4'33". Where did you get this story from?

Well, I don't know whether there was any preceding score, but this is the one I know:




The German Wikipedia site also states that David Tudor used dice at the first performance to determine the length of the piece, but I couldn't find any quote to back this up.

Originally Posted by gms5287

Nevermind, this is the worst post. Simen, I hope for your sake that you never use Wikipedia as a source in a research paper in college because you will get a big fat F. Of course, you'd actually have to make it that far......

I don't think the problem is citing wikipedia necessarily, but citing something that purports to define music.

Originally Posted by gms5287

This is the worst post of this thread
Nevermind, this is the worst post. Simen, I hope for your sake that you never use Wikipedia as a source in a research paper in college because you will get a big fat F. Of course, you'd actually have to make it that far......
No, that was a revised score for the piece. The original score that Cage submitted for publishing had 3 clearly defined movement lengths, and it was indeed supposed to be 4'33". Where did you get this story from?
You know, I'm actually kind of disgusted with this thread, the absolute ignorance of SimenN is astounding. I can understand not agreeing with the ideas of Cage, but the belligerence I just do not understand. I'M 17 I'M RIGHT AND I ALWAYS WILL BE RIGHT MUSIC MUST BE WHAT I SAY IT IS AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I mean, seriously? SimenN, who are you to even make such crazy statements, you need to come back down to planet Earth, friend. I love people on the internet with big egos

Personal attacks are ALWAYS a good way to make your point.

There is an interesting subculture in this forum, i.e. piling on after the target of the piling-on is long gone. See also

Italian Concerto (with German counterpoint)

Originally Posted by cygnusdei

There is an interesting subculture in this forum, i.e. piling on after the target of the piling-on is long gone.

What?

Originally Posted by Jamie Whitmarsh

Personal attacks are ALWAYS a good way to make your point.

Who's making personal attacks? I'm stating the truth

I find 4'33'' beautiful in its own way. My experience of this piece is that it feels as if time freezes between the notes and you experience the silence which binds the music and the cosmos together. You are becoming aware of this silence and that you are in reality part of it. Some may say that it isn't music, but it is definitely "pre-music".

Alexandros

This isn't music, it isn't the Four Seasons by Vivaldi, all music must sound like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So who is to say that John Cage wanted pure silence,

John Cage never said that 4'33" is "silence". He called it the "silent piece" only in quotes. If you read about his experience in the anechoic chamber in Harvard University you'll see that Cage doesn't really believe in silence. He doesn't even think we might actually find silence once we're dead, although that's only for him to know and us to find out now.