Modern Composition John Cage

Originally Posted by DOFTS

Aye, so whenever you write a rest in music, that part in your score isn't music. Gotcha.

Of course not. Because

Originally Posted by Daniel

There is a highly prevalent school of thought which holds that music is not music until it is played, or turned from notation into sound.

Gotcha.

Originally Posted by cygnusdei

"...so whenever you write a rest in music, that part in your score isn't music. Gotcha."

Of course not. Because

"There is a highly prevalent school of thought which holds that music is not music until it is played, or turned from notation into sound."

Gotcha.

So, a rest (i.e. silence) becomes music when it's notated and performed?

Not unlike 4'33" ?

Gotcha.

What makes you think I subscribe to that school of thought? If you say "silence is not music" then you imply that rest within music is not part of the music.

So do me a favor and do not think I follow things I do not follow.

Originally Posted by robinjessome

So, a rest (i.e. silence) becomes music when it's notated and performed?

Not unlike 4'33" ?

Gotcha.

Of course. And therefore so are the evening news, thunder, and mosquito's buzzing.

Gotcha.

You know, I actually haven't seen too many scores for the evening news, thunder, or mosquitoes buzzing.

Perhaps I'm just ignorant.

Originally Posted by cygnusdei

Of course. And therefore so are the evening news, thunder, and mosquito's buzzing.

Gotcha.

When's the last time you saw the evening news, thunder, or mosquito's buzzing MUSICALLY NOTATED AND PERFORMED?!

[edit: Marius beat me to it *high-five*]

Originally Posted by robinjessome

When's the last time you saw the evening news, thunder, or mosquito's buzzing MUSICALLY NOTATED AND PERFORMED?!

[edit: Marius beat me to it *high-five*]

A musical soirée in Marius' living room.
A performance of 4'33".
Evening news barely audible from the neighbor.
A thunder.
Mosquitos buzzing.

Music.

Gotcha.

Shrimp and cocktails are also available; they're on the nightstand right beside the giant heap of sarcasm.

This has to be one of the most pointless debates I've seen on YC in a loooonnngg time. And that's saying something from the guy who regular reads the abortion and religon discussion threads.

Originally Posted by DOFTS

What makes you think I subscribe to that school of thought? If you say "silence is not music" then you imply that rest within music is not part of the music.

So do me a favor and do not think I follow things I do not follow.

Originally Posted by DOFTS

The people would have listen very careful to the sound of nothing and notice, as Cage did, there is sound. There are beautiful sounds. Amazing sounds, sounds we would have not noticed at the very moment if music was being played.

You said yourself that where there should be silence, actually there is sound. No, beautiful sounds. Nay, AMAZING sounds. So during the performance of 4'33" you're hearing these AMAZING sounds of music as opposed to silence. Doesn't it mean that the opposite of silence is ..... music?