Obscene Obsession for Full Symphonic Orchestra

Karl,

I do think that I agree with you (as with most people). At some point it goes on for too long. I mean I designed the form before anything else (the fractal, score already in) and followed to it 99.9%! If I was to compose this again (it's been 4-5 years since I composed it), I would stick to the form 60% and if so. Or change the form to begin with.

I was kinda "filling the gaps" later on in the piece. It simply can't work totally this way. Although I grew in love with the piece, when I was working on the recording. And in all honesty, I do think that a real orchestra would do more justice.

But it lingers on a lot, that's a "fact" for me, I think. And the tonality thing that LDun mentiones is also true, exactly because of that! I decided to stick to the plan, thus limiting myself to th egiven pitches then (and the lack of D I believe as the last pitch which is nowhere to be found ).

Yup, there is a small part from the Rite of Spring, you are right Karl. It's noted in the score as well, if not mistaken. It is my way of saying "here you are! this is where I got most ideas!"

I hope newer pieces have overcome this obsession with form. At least I believe they have. Click on my profile and check the threads I've started for more music by me. (large forms and so on).

Alex,

I do know where you're coming from, so no worries! And I also love Rachmaninov (and his 2nd Symphnoy as well! )

Yes, some scarey moments, certainly this would work better with a live orchestra (miles better in fact, since I did this in a studio, not my own home, and with various samples, collections of samples back in 2004. Back then I doubt there was anything staggering in terms of samples, at least except GOS, which is used actually. The rest are various solo stuff, various percussion, etc. All singled out! I ended up with A LOT of audio files to work with.)

No microtonality, no. Not in this piece at least.

Thanks for listening (take note, it was 2003-2004 when this was composed and recorded. Not now )

Oh wow it's so... um modern. Can't really listen to it, I prefer beautiful music. I'm looking at the score and I see that you have put a lot of effort into this piece. Actually it doesn't sound bad, you should see the stuff my composition teacher writes.

Nik believe me, I am incredibly musically stubborn, so the fact that I see a lot in this piece is a real achievement on your behalf I assure you!
I would love to see this performed by real musicians; even really good samples wouldn't quite do it justice.
There's so much going on here, I would have to listen to it many, many times before I understood exactly what was happening!

Originally Posted by Maxx

Oh wow it's so... um modern. Can't really listen to it, I prefer beautiful music. I'm looking at the score and I see that you have put a lot of effort into this piece. Actually it doesn't sound bad, you should see the stuff my composition teacher writes.

Hem...

Did you listen to the whole piece? (dejavu anyone? )

"Can't really listen to it, I prefer beautiful music". Beauty is totally subjective. I love a woman, you love another, other male love other males and other women love other women (or men). Some men love goats but that's the whole point! Everyone to their own.

It is not meant to be a beautiful piece really.

Thanks for posting and taking a look at the score.

Originally Posted by almacg

Nik believe me, I am incredibly musically stubborn, so the fact that I see a lot in this piece is a real achievement on your behalf I assure you!
I would love to see this performed by real musicians; even really good samples wouldn't quite do it justice.
There's so much going on here, I would have to listen to it many, many times before I understood exactly what was happening!

LOL!

Thanks Alex!

It is a.... plethoric piece (is there such a word in English? Got it straight from Greek! )

Great piece. I agree that a real orchestra would be best, but I still enjoyed your mock-up. This is not usually my cup of tea for listening, but I thought it was very interesting and kept my attention the entire time. Very nice work Nikolas.

Steve Winkler

Thanks Steve. Glad you enjoyed it! A real orchestra would be better, no doubt in this case, since it's a peculiar piece, but the mock-up is not really unjust to the whole result, at least I tried my best...

Originally Posted by nikolas

Thanks Steve. Glad you enjoyed it! A real orchestra would be better, no doubt in this case, since it's a peculiar piece, but the mock-up is not really unjust to the whole result, at least I tried my best...

Absolutely agree. Nothing at all wrong with the mockup. I can't tell for sure what samples you're using, but I'm a GPO person myself. From my limited experience so far I have to use my imagination for things that get dense and complex. I suppose it's the nature of samples. What I was saying was I can easily hear this with real players and I think it would sound great.

One thing I did note though is the really high trumpet at the beginning. You probably know this, but I think a trumpet player would probably use a D or Eb trumpet on a part like that which would change the timbre somewhat but achieve the affect you're after. Just something I noticed as I glanced at the score occasionaly.

Steve Winkler

You are right about the trumpet. Back in 2003/2004 when I wrote this work, I didn't know that much about instrumentation, thus a few things are... difficult to play. (hope not impossible though... )

Actually, this work, as many others, is written in manuscript with a pencil and no piano next to me. I didn't listen to this piece, until the score was done, through in Finale and I entered the studio! So I had (and still do) to relly on my mind, my inner ears and my knowledge of music and what I do!