Orchestration: PART 1 (woodwinds) discussion

I have written a completely new one, I hope that the timbre change works, as well as I hope that it is much better than my previous attempt.

Originally Posted by Saiming

I have written a completely new one, I hope that the timbre change works, as well as I hope that it is much better than my previous attempt.

OH MY!!!!!!!!

this is a first! you have given me shivers up and down my spine!

This was VERY beautiful.
Yes the sudden shift to the clarinets works beautifully.

There may be a few spots where the harmony could have been more clearly defined, but that would be the job of your composition teacher.

Originally Posted by Qccowboy

OH MY!!!!!!!!

this is a first! you have given me shivers up and down my spine!

This was VERY beautiful.
Yes the sudden shift to the clarinets works beautifully.

There may be a few spots where the harmony could have been more clearly defined, but that would be the job of your composition teacher.

Wow, hearing praise from you surely is something special

well I did work all night and re-fined it today.

I was not sure about the beginning, I wanted it smooth; so I had a Flute I and Oboe II play in unision, followed up by Flute II and Oboe I (then I did not have the extra measure in the beginning). Well I am glad, that I have finally written something beautiful

I have to thank you a bunch

Now, patiently waiting for next exercise

well, where praise is due, praise is given

I think all of the people participating in this class are deserving of it at some point. there is a great deal of talent floating around this forum.

I added two new chapters to the course material thread.

time to start reading.

exerises will follow.

You might consider applying the new material to your already existing exercise. for example, adding two horns to the mix without altering the pre-existing orchestration.

I will start reading now

Oh, yes I noticed that the ending was awkward, so I changed the last chord to C
I've uploaded them if you want to listen.

Saiming, I particularly like the way you brought in the instruments one after another rather than in blocks. that's a beautifully effective way to build texture.

Very nice independance of voices as well. The crossing of 1st and 2nd desks works beautifully.

Once you've assimilated a bit of the new material on the french horn, how about adding parts for two french horns to this?

I made a few minor modifications, see if you can find them and figure out why I made them.
score and recording are here:

Recording

score

Originally Posted by Qccowboy

Saiming, I particularly like the way you brought in the instruments one after another rather than in blocks. that's a beautifully effective way to build texture.

Very nice independance of voices as well. The crossing of 1st and 2nd desks works beautifully.

Once you've assimilated a bit of the new material on the french horn, how about adding parts for two french horns to this?

Yes, I will surely do that. I guess you want them to be the resonance instruments?

yes, horns as resonance... and reread my above post, I added a few things about your excerpt.

I have compared your modification and my score. First thing is that your's is not written in Concert pitch, forgot to click away that.

Now, beginning from measure I:
You changed the Flute II by inserting two 1/4 notes, I guess that is to give the piece a smoother introduction to the motif? You changed the dynamic to p instead of pp

In measure II:
You take away the pause in Flute II and add a 1/2 note, so that it will become a triad.

In measure III: You change 1/2 notes so that they overlap one another.
There is added dynamics for Bassoon I, mf to f. So that it doesn't sound to weak compared to the bassoon II playing f in the following measures.

IV: Transpose the Flute II one octave, the flute too weak I presume (I was actually thinking of having and enclosure, but then I realized that it should have been usage of Flutes and Clarinet instead of Flutes and Oboes, or does that not matter? Eitherway, the flutes to weak.)

VI
Dynamics added, f in all instruments playing as wells ad a diminuendo, this is so that the listener gets reassured that the climax has passed and it is to lead into another part.

The following measures you have added p to all play instruments, so that a contrast is created?

I hope I found most changes

wonderful. yes.

I also added some phrase markings. they were purely subjective, so you might actually phrase the music differently.

and I REALLY liked your short music excerpt. it has a very personal style.

Most of the changes I made were to add to the smoothing of transitions. Sometimes a cadence requires that a note holds over in one instrument before dissappearing (this was the added flute note at the end of the initial phrase).