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Old Jun 5 2008, 6:23 PM

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Post The Palio -- first of two Sienna Songs

This is the first of two songs I have labeled "The Sienna Songs," inspired during my trip to Italy last summer. I hope this is the right place for this song. I wouldn't consider it jazz or pop... it's cabaret. Does cabaret fall under the category of pop? Anywho, here it is.

A few things to explain: The Palio happens twice a year and has every year for the past eight-hundred years. The campo is the main square of the city. Some bigger cities like Florence or Venice have several, but Sienna is small. I'm attaching a PDF and an mp3.

I'm looking for constructive feedback on both the music and the lyric. Thanks!

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Old Jun 8 2008, 5:21 AM

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There are places that your lyrics seem forced, but overall it's really good in that regard. Your parallel structures are pretty amazing. Musically, the piano part feels too thin in a lot of places. The harmonic structure seems squeezed into a strict verse/chorus structure, where I feel that with some harmonic flexibility the music could serve the text much better. See, for example, the shift - "And I didn't stay" - m. 70 - I wanted to hear different harmonies. When I was playing through it, I thought:

m.69, beat 2 - A in bass over G Major chord
m. 70 - change of texture - less of the dotted rhythms.

Alternately, keeping m. 69 the same -
m. 70 - G7 (beats 1 & 2), D6 (beats 3 & 4), beat 5 as is. Still change in texture.

Basically, I would have liked to see more variation in the structures.
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Old Jun 8 2008, 12:14 PM

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I agree that there are things in the lyric that still feel forced. I'm trying to work on those. Any specifics of note?

Interesting about the harmonies in m70. I'll take a look at that. Now that you mention it, I like the idea of doing something different before going back to the verse harmony. This one is rather strict, because I'm going for a sort of folk-song type sound. Not an American folk song, an Italian folk song. Obviously in 5/4 and 7/8 it's not that folk-y, but that's the tone I'm trying to set. But I'll play with those things in 69-70.

Also, and this sounds like I'm fishing, but I'm just curious. You mention "parallel structures." Do you mean in the music or lyric? Or both together?
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Lyrics, specifically. The musical parallels are a little to repetitive for my personal taste - but it's cool that they're there.
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Well, thank you.

Where were there specific lyrics that you took issue with? I know the ones that I wish flowed better, but I'm curious as to which you felt needed tightening. Also, any suggestions are more than welcome, but really I just need a feel for where you got uncomfortable with it.
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I don't know - the general "exposition" I think is what needed help. It seemed trivial - I think because I'm seeing it from the point of character - WHY is the person in Sienna, and why do we care?

Maybe also the section in 6/8. It started feeling very "square."
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