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Old Jul 24 2008, 11:54 PM

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Schoenberg Jazz

Lead Sheet in C; hoping to get my combo to play this
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Old Jul 25 2008, 12:16 AM

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I listened to the midi first, and I was like

But then I looked at the lead sheet and realized it was in 7/8. Nifty. Unfortunately, I don't have my keyboard, or perfect pitch, so I don't know how well those chords gel together, but they seem pretty spicy. One thing- If you have the same chord two measure's in a row (that GM7), I don't think you need to put it in the second measure. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I guess it couldn't hurt either way.

If you could post a midi with the melody and some chords behind it, that'd be helpful.

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Old Jul 25 2008, 1:02 AM

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Oh yeah, The chord grid is a function of the program, which ain't too pretty.

Imagine a normal walking bass using permutations of the series and a chord instrument doing the same idea chordally; a second chord instrument doing the notated chord the whole time.

The drums are in "normal" 7/8 swing time.
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Old Jul 25 2008, 1:03 AM

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I love that you're attempting a melding of Schoenberg-esque music and jazz.

Not to nitpick, but measures 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 14, and 15, have the tone row returning to an already used pitch without completing the series. while Schoenberg's early expressionistic works didn't follow strict 12-tone rules, they usually refrained from intervalic motives, such as the ones in the aforementioned measures.
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Old Jul 25 2008, 1:08 AM

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You're hillarious. Normals 7/8 swing. Right.

Like I said, I don't have perfect pitch. I can hum the root notes out relatively, but that's about it.

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Old Jul 25 2008, 1:08 AM

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Oh yeah, its not straight up Serialism, but even his op 23 returns to a note before completing the series.
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Old Jul 25 2008, 9:03 PM

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Oh yeah, its not straight up Serialism, but even his op 23 returns to a note before completing the series.
Granted, but returning the way you have, gives the sections, a much too tonal sound. And just FYI, 12-tone and serialism are two distinctly separate schools of thought, your composition being more in line with the prior.

As I said before, for what it is, it's great.
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Old Jul 25 2008, 9:35 PM

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Granted, but returning the way you have, gives the sections, a much too tonal sound
yeah, part of that's cuz I'm trying to get jazz people to play this, and i like challenging expectations. I told my sax player about this and he was wary of a bleep-bloop kind of piece...

Plus i like stuff like Eric Dolphy (or a bunch of others, he's just my go-to example) who'll have a pretty tonal, even head and then a disgusting solo that's all over the place.

apologies if i sounded corrective, it was more of a explanation of influence.

Yeah, i do mix the two terms a bit too freely...
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Old Jul 25 2008, 9:44 PM

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No worries...best of luck with this piece.
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