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Old Dec 12 2005, 11:27 PM

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Sorry for the delay, stupid school...

Basically the variations take the listener through a series of mood changes. It's almost poetic in its meaning, written originally under a different name; it was meant to show the same theme through my eyes in various moods. This also seems to be the first piano song of mine I've ever posted here, so I guess that's very good too. It IS my instrument after all so one would think Id've posted something for it before...

Anyways, enough blabbing, enjoy!
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Old Dec 13 2005, 3:13 PM
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This has been taking waaay to long...

Akhil and piano_player18, give 1 score from 1 to 10, and write some comments, suggestions, and constructive criticism of minimum 5 lines for each of the two pieces.
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Old Dec 14 2005, 3:54 AM

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Letehn,

I Already Know who the Clear Winner is, But I need 1 more day to psycho-analyse these 2 sets & compare them. You can expect a thorough Analysis. But I'll post the winner with the analysis. So, we've got 2 judges, what If the other judge (Nintenboy) favours the other set ??? Do you (Letehn) then decide ??

Akhil G.

PS: GOSH I forgot you were Norwegian, that's why you've got the whole Grieg thing going on. My apologies for my Comments in the "Greatest Composer" post about Grieg.
Wedding day @ Troldhaugen ...... Yes, The 1st Grieg piece I ever heard.
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Old Dec 14 2005, 4:15 AM
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Nintenboy5 never really said he wanted to judge. Piano_player18 is your co-judge.

You will do your ''pscyho analysis'' () and then post A SCORE on each of the pieces from 1-10.

PS: And i enjoy Grieg because he was a great composer, not because he was a norwegian.
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Old Dec 14 2005, 12:55 PM

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I'm excited, I can't wait to hear this "psycho-analysis" thing . Not to mention the whole "winner" thing; I'm pretty curious about that too

Post soon Maestro!
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Old Dec 14 2005, 2:09 PM

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Nickthoven - Nice job. I do think however that the beginning was a bit too bland. Chord after chord with no real moving melodic materal or arpeggios. I do like what you have done at about 2:00. Very well done there, but shortly after that it gets a bit weird. (Around 2:45) It seems almost like someone is just hitting random notes on the piano. I'm not trying to sound mean, but that variation is a bit off. I do like the run at 4:09. Sorry, but the ending is weak.
Overall score: 5 out of 10

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]\/[4 - Very nice variation at the beginning. I love what you have done at about 0:40. That definately would be fun to play and listen to as well. At 1:30-2:00...very pretty. Love your use of chords and arpeggios. WOAH, is the stuff at 2:30 even possible to play? It sounds ok, but it would seem a bit too much for someone to play. You might want to slow that down. (Rit. into that section/variation) Same the at 3:00. A bit too fast. It would be much better at a slower tempo. I do love it though...very nice. One question you might want to ask yourself is if you could play this? It would take much work. (Not saying it's impossible. I would definately publish some of these variations. I would love a copy of some of the variations.) At about 9:00 I do think there are a bit too many rips...but I understand it is yet another variation. At 11:10...don't really care for the trill variation. Good job on the 15:00 variation. Woah, 17:00...once again...too fast of a tempo. Only a computer can do that. Same thing with stuff through 18:00...slow it down. I do like what you have done, however. 19:45...just beautiful. Wow, love what you have going on at 20:30, but once again way WAY too fast. Nice ending! Love it! If you can play this and get me a recording, I would pay you well for it. I'm sorry, I could not listen to it all. I don't have the time for the whole thing, but I try to listen to a part of each variation.

Overall score: 9 out of 10.

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Where is the world are the other entrees? I know like 20 people sign up for this.
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Wow! Harmonically interesting yet slow moving and minimalistic vs. harmonically very trite yet developed nicely and rhythmic? These two pieces could not be any different. But I have a feeling my more modern approach is not going to help me any...
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GRADE ”“ 6/10

Theme (Bar 1-14) (00.00 ”“ 00.30)

”’ Harmonically unstable.
”’ Not a great choice in terms of thematic material which inturn leads to weak Variation writing.
”’ The harmonic instability of the theme suggests that the variations will tend to lean on the rhythmic side rather than melodic or harmonic or to completely oppose this, given the idiom, a skilled composer can use this harmonic instability to indeed produce startling variations.

Variation 1 (00:30 ”“ 1:02)

”’ Repetition of the harmonic progression from the theme with long-noted syncopations using the same bass ”“ notes as the theme.
”’ Last Bar of this Variation: A C# Major chord yet an E as a Bass ”“ Note??

Variation 2 (1:03 ”“ 1:51)

”’ This “Variation” is what I personally call “marking the beat”.
”’ The L.H is still using the same bass ”“ line as the theme in a slight expansion of the Bass ”“ line from Variation 1.
”’ Some effort made to produce a harmonic variation here.
”’ The thing that stops me from calling this a Variation is that A Variation, at any given point must correspond to the theme.
”’ Even without further examination, the factors that give it away are the irregular length, which here cannot stem from tempo or augmentation of the thematic rhythm ”“ as in a fugue, this Variation is twice as long as your theme.

Variation 3 (1:52 ”“ 2:21)

”’ 5th Bar, D Major Chord ”“ yet an F as the base note??
”’ Some very interesting things attempted here, both harmonically & rhythmically, unfortunately ends up sounding “pop” infused despite clever harmonic strides.
”’ Once again, unusual length, both in terms of bars and time, in respect to the theme.

Variation 4 (2:22 ”“ 2:50)

”’ And again ”“ Very harmonically unstable, yet of great rythmic interest.
”’ This would have to be the strongest Variation given the chosen idiom, and given the theme’s limited extent in terms of possible variations.


Variation 5 (2:50 ”“ 3:14)

”’ At first expanding on the Harmony from Variation 4, towards the end starts to get syncopated hinting at a Jazz influence.
”’ Not a particularly strong Variation.

Variation 6 (3:15 ”“ 3:29)

”’ In a more compressed manner, this variation does in some way, correspond to and develop the thematic material, yet once again of irregular length.
”’ Bar 8 of Variation 6 ”“ Ab Major Chord, Yet a G as the bass ”“ note.

Remainder (3:30 ”“ 4:42)

”’ I have titled this so because these are mere repetitions of Variations 4,5 & 6 with an altered ending.


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GRADE ”“ 10/10

It is rather hard to psycho-analyse a perfect ten.

But some general pointers, tips and commendations are in order.

”’ Well-constructed theme in keeping with the Haydn ”“ Beethoven ”“ Brahms Variation form. Where by there are 2 parts to a theme, the second part ending by closing in the tonic with a reduction of the first part of the theme. Well done. I don’t suppose you saw my Critique (1.3 months ago) in Mahlon’s Piano Page in the Piano Section regarding Variation writing?
”’ Very Virtuosic Indeed. Your writing is so similar to mine and of such a high standard that I would gladly recommend you to (not my publisher) a publisher.
”’ A great sense of craft in that your Variations, where you choose to, flow directly into each other flawlessly, even though your theme makes a full close.
”’ Only reality is that the Finale/Finale Variation is not realistic on it’s demands on any pianist, and who better to tell you that than I.
”’ Showing a great familiarity with mid ”“ late romantic composers such as Liszt & Alkan. Infact, your theme is not very harmonically different from Alkan’s Etude ”“ Op.38 No.12 “Le Festin d'Γ‰sope” but it is understandable that great music finds its way back to us!!

Bravo !!

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Old Dec 16 2005, 2:37 PM

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Is anyone else going to post their submissions? I would like to judge some more.

Also, when everything is said and done....are the judges suppose to choose a top 3?
We should set a deadline for them to turn in their compositions. Isn't there one already?
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Old Dec 16 2005, 5:30 PM

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Is anyone else going to post their submissions? I would like to judge some more.
Well, since you asked... I wrote this a month or two ago, and it is a fairly good piece. It doesn't follow a sonata or rondo or any other kind of form that I know of. There are just three separate sections that are very different. It may not stand up to the other pieces in technique, but I believe it is worth submitting. Have at it.

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