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Old Dec 26 2007, 3:53 AM

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I disagree... I believe that techno is more classically influenced than metal.... metal is.... metal, it is musically dead simple, a metal song will usually have two or three chords, a TON of unmusical screaming (unmusical in MY opinion only), a few drum fills, and maybe an interesting lick or two out of the lead guitar. Not much going on. Did I mention that the few present chords are usually but only power chords? There aren't even many chords beyond that in sophistication in the average metal track.
As usual, all generalizations are false. Sophisticated metal is definitely out there, and not even that obscure. Take Dream Theater, for instance, a fairly commercially successful metal group. They're a group of classically trained musicians, and are known for their extremely virtuosic playing, large-form song structures, and elaborate, improvisatory live sets. To be sure, they also have their fair share of unusual time signatures, polyrhythms, weird harmony, and all of the other trappings of "complex" music.

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I disagree... I believe that techno is more classically influenced than metal.... metal is.... metal, it is musically dead simple, a metal song will usually have two or three chords, a TON of unmusical screaming (unmusical in MY opinion only), a few drum fills, and maybe an interesting lick or two out of the lead guitar. Not much going on. Did I mention that the few present chords are usually but only power chords? There aren't even many chords beyond that in sophistication in the average metal track.
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This doesn't really have anything to do with the original topic but I find this an unfair view of metal. What you're describing can certainly be classfied as metal but only in its lowest form. It's like me saying all pop music is bad and then providing Britney Spears' songs as examples. I recomend listening to Dream Theater. Alot of Dream Theater fans seem to enjoy classical music as well. Please don't go dismissing an entire genre based on what you hear on the radio. That's just like people dismissing classical music just because they've heard bits and pieces of music by Mozart (don't get me wrong, I enjoy Mozart but I hardly find his work the best or most enjoyable in the classical genre).
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I disagree... I believe that techno is more classically influenced than metal.... metal is.... metal, it is musically dead simple, a metal song will usually have two or three chords, a TON of unmusical screaming (unmusical in MY opinion only), a few drum fills, and maybe an interesting lick or two out of the lead guitar. Not much going on. Did I mention that the few present chords are usually but only power chords? There aren't even many chords beyond that in sophistication in the average metal track.
Don't discredit metal; what you're talking about is like really heavy metal. What about symphonic metal? I don't doubt that techno is closer to classical music than symphonic metal, but symphonic metal is kinda up there, with its... I don't know, I can't really explain the relationships. It'd be easier if you listened to some pieces yourself. A good example of an artist, and a pioneer, of symphonic metal would be Nightwish. [One of my fave bands XD]

Back to the topic. I think we're talking about Classical music here, not classical music, right? Well, in terms of Classical forms, I think that a lot of mainstream pop could actually relate to Classical ideas, with the ABA forms and structures and stuff. Techno does have some Classical ideas, but if you mean instrumental techno, then I find that THAT particular type of techno is closer to jazz because of its free form. Techno with vocals could be included in mainstream pop, I guess. That's just my opinion.
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Old Jan 9 2008, 9:31 AM

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heck, Metal is more classical than Techno.
What I was going to say.

Techno, is just over simplified minimalism.

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Guys, c'mon - film music is classical music.
QFT. Hell, half of SW is just rip offs of classical music.


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I disagree... I believe that techno is more classically influenced than metal.... metal is.... metal, it is musically dead simple, a metal song will usually have two or three chords, a TON of unmusical screaming (unmusical in MY opinion only), a few drum fills, and maybe an interesting lick or two out of the lead guitar. Not much going on. Did I mention that the few present chords are usually but only power chords? There aren't even many chords beyond that in sophistication in the average metal track.
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Heavy metal subgenres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know someone in a metal band, and although I can't stand it, that is false. There is more than korn in metal music.
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Guys, c'mon - film music is classical music.
Some is, some is more rock-based.
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Old Jan 9 2008, 9:39 AM

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I disagree... I believe that techno is more classically influenced than metal.... metal is.... metal, it is musically dead simple, a metal song will usually have two or three chords, a TON of unmusical screaming (unmusical in MY opinion only), a few drum fills, and maybe an interesting lick or two out of the lead guitar. Not much going on. Did I mention that the few present chords are usually but only power chords? There aren't even many chords beyond that in sophistication in the average metal track.
Then you're not listening to the right metal. Check out Virgin Black and Aletheian, to start.
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