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View Poll Results: Who is the Greatest (Not Favourite) Composer ?
Beethoven 38 32.76%
Brahms 2 1.72%
Chopin 4 3.45%
Schubert 2 1.72%
Tchaikovsky 11 9.48%
Mozart 18 15.52%
Bach 32 27.59%
Haydn 3 2.59%
Mendelssohn 2 1.72%
Grieg 4 3.45%
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Old Jun 7 2008, 11:45 AM

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Bach is, bar none, the greatest composer of all time. He single-handedly brought an end to the Baroque era by rendering all the forms totally obsolete himself... it's both scary and depressing, really.
for this statement to bear ANY truth at all, no composer after Bach could have used any of the forms he used... which is obviously not true, since thousands upon thousands of sonatas, rondos, fugues, arias, gigues, masses, etc... were written after Bach's passing.
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Old Jun 7 2008, 1:42 PM

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Where's Cage?

In all seriousness it all seems a bit romanticy with Bach thrown in at the end...
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Old Jun 7 2008, 11:27 PM

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Where's Cage?

In all seriousness it all seems a bit romanticy with Bach thrown in at the end...
Well..since it was created almost three years ago, complaining about the poll is a bit silly, eh?

Also, OBVIOUSLY they can't include every major composer from every major genre.
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Old Jun 8 2008, 8:27 AM

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Well..since it was created almost three years ago, complaining about the poll is a bit silly, eh?

Also, OBVIOUSLY they can't include every major composer from every major genre.
He could've atleast included Ellington.
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Old Jun 15 2008, 12:53 PM

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Now, in a massive burst of procrastination, I read the entire thread, because I do think it's very interesting what people think, and in a way I agree that there shouldn't be much discussion beyond Bach / Mozart / Beethoven, mainly in terms of influence. However I would seriously add two composers to this list, both of whom I believe, allowing for their influences either to mature just as those of B/M/B, or become as well known, should be considered the 'greatest' composers.

1. Monteverdi - I do find it quite astonishing nobody has mentioned him before. There's no point talking about how many operas or large-scale religious works 'great' composers have written: Monteverdi practically invented dramatic music (madrigals and his 19 operas), unprepared dissonance, large-scale choral works (Vespers of 1610), instrumental writing itself as distinct from vocal writing; was probably the most innovative and divergent composer from the prevalent style of his time out of B/M/B; was the first composer ever to specify particular instruments for parts, and particular playing techniques (tremolo and pizzicato for strings in his 8th book of madrigals); and basically single-handedly laid the way for the Baroque. When you consider where he came from, where he ended up, what musical concepts were literally non-existent before him, and also (of course) his immense talent in writing exciting, beautiful, colourful music, I think he absolutely gets my vote.

2. Debussy - but this is an area I'm less knowledgable about. And I have to take the dog for a walk. So I'll talk about him another day. (I considered Fauré as the 'root' of impressionism, but Debussy's output and influence prior to that is definitely 'greater').

I know this is just a 3-year-old poll, and I'm not in any way angry with it lol. But it is interesting and I do think Monteverdi deserves his due.
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Old Jun 15 2008, 9:28 PM

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Definitely! Oh, and I just adore "L'incoronazione di Poppea"! I've seen/heard it three times so far, each time with a great conductor (Marc Minkowski, René Jacobs, Nikolaus Harnoncourt) and great singers, and every performance was fantastic in its own very special way.

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Oh, and of course I second Debussy too!
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Old Jul 2 2008, 6:16 PM

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Mozart. He was an angel. everything he composed was godly and enchanting.
Beethoven and Bach were great too.
and so are Chopin and Tchaikovsky.

but Mozart rocks the most.
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We could even go further back and say Machaut for what distinguishes most Western art music from many other culture's art music is its degree of melodic polyphony. Machaut did this to a great degree.
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Old Jul 3 2008, 10:52 PM

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Be as honest as you can - Greatest must not mean Favourite (unless its Beethoven).
Most skilled: Mozart

Could do everything better than anyone else. For details, watch Amadeus and listen to the variety and beauty of the music in it. Sure the story's a bit fudged but the music is well used and beautifully performed by Neville Marriner's Academy of St Martin in the Fields.

It's incredible that the mind that touched on the most subtle of human emotion and showed us how music can express layers of feeling (some of the stuff in his opera's with multiple singers simultaneously singing different things but all making complete sense are utterly mind-blowing) produced this wonderfully crazed and demented sounding piece:

YouTube - Mozart - Adagio und Fuga

Most raw emotional impact: Handel

Invoked raw emotional highs and lows simply unmatched by anyone else. If music is about invoking intense emotions (sorrow, dread, elation, etc), then, perhaps Beethoven was right to say that Handel really is the greatest of all.

Lovely:

YouTube - Farinelli - Lascia ch'io Pianga


Another musical great who often gets overlooked is Vivaldi. Overall isnt in the same class but wrote some truly beautiful music:

Beautiful:
YouTube - Philippe Jaroussky - Vivaldi aria

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I absolutely despise the use of thick, corn syrupy female voices in classical and earlier music. It sounds bad. I'll take a fake castrato who sounds half like a vacuum cleaner any day over that over-wrought super-vibrato nonsense (such as renee fleming, te kanawa, etc).
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Most skilled: Mozart
Hot dog, I didn't see that coming.

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