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Old Jul 20 2008, 11:26 PM

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Schoenberg, Glass, Cage, Berlioz, Chopin, Schumann.

No particular order.
i cant believe you included Chopin and Schumann.


i dont wanna insult any composers, but seriously, i cant stand Wagner......
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Old Jul 22 2008, 6:47 AM

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Why does this thread never die? ;(
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Old Jul 24 2008, 3:48 PM

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Gubaidulina.
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Wow... after the last post.... I swear I need a thread failed stamp.
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Old Jul 24 2008, 3:59 PM

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actually, I think that most composers' reputations are ruined through mass hysteria and over-performance of their 'most popular' works.
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Old Jul 24 2008, 4:01 PM

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Why Gubaidulina though?
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Old Jul 24 2008, 6:52 PM

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Not in her case. I've heard a few of her works, I've tried to get to grips with her. I know people who idolize her. But many who don't.
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Old Jul 25 2008, 12:39 AM

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actually, I think that most composers' reputations are ruined through mass hysteria and over-performance of their 'most popular' works.
Exactly what I think....


But as for the thread title, I would never call any composer "bad" or "worst".
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Old Sep 12 2008, 10:40 PM

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Why does this thread never die? ;(
I quite agree, EldKatt. But forgive me, I cannot resist the invitaion to register my "worst."

As per one prefessor's dictum that I not downgrade a composer until I'd heard everything, I confess that I have heard all of Johannes Ciconia's 60 or so works, and have read score on some.

They're terrible. Completly dicomfited polyphony, rendered in a bland, flat modal style with elementary rhythms and poor text underlay. His one hit, "O Rosa Bella," I'm certain is misattributed; perhaps it's really Landini.

Ciconia is "reputable" in that he is very early for a named composer of polyphony who has a portfolio of reasonable quantity. He represents the generation between Machaut and DuFay, that's like 1380-1420. It begins dominated by Italians - Francesco Landini and Zacara da Teramo; John Dunstaple arrives to usher in the common triad towards the end of that period. This was the final floweing of homophony-free polyphony, and includes the ars subtilior, Solage, the others in the Chantilly Codex and the composers in the Old Hall Ms, most of whom have only one or two works.

Ciconia's cream rose to the top only because his name represents a period of time where we have poor representation of named composers; there are no other ma. Ciconia's harmonic technique is wayyy inferior to Machaut and doesn't even come close to the likes of Dunstaple or DuFay. His isorhythmic motets are especially bad, the combined texts working themselves into a meaningless, Dadaistic jumble of Latin.

That is why he's my pick for worst, although he's still better than some 19th century composers of parlour music that I've seen. None of these are, however, reputable.

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Old Sep 12 2008, 10:46 PM

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Sorry, make that:

there are no other major Franco-Flemish composers of this timeframe.
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