Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
it's worth noting that music is pretty much completely subjective.
Bingo. I'll keep going though, just so it's drilled into your skull...
Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
"I shouldn't have to 'use my brain', rather, the music should assault me and not let me go. I shouldn't be able to help but actively listen. That is good music..." There are some exceptions to this but for the most part this is my view.
Yeah, using your brain sucks. So overrated. Besides being incredibly stupid grounds for which music to be judged, this argument doesn't work simply because the kinds of music which 'assault' individuals varies from person to person.
Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
But in the end what makes music good to someone is whether they like it or not.
That's cool and all, but the premise of this thread was "Why is music so bad now?", not "Why do I not like contemporary music?". Since you are referring to this post as a set of 'rebuttals', I'm going to assume that this is your argument.
I think a lot of contemporary music good. Since 'I' am 'someone' who 'likes contemporary music', contemporary music is by your logic, 'good'.
Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
But putting this aside, when audiences nearly completely reject modern classical music (not film music) like they are now, and performers pretty much can't stand it, there's something wrong.
Audiences completely reject modern classical music? Since when? Every time Adams has a work premiered here in LA, it sells out. A new opera is being premiered by the Santa Barbara Symphony and Opera Co. soon (groups who only program the oldest works which bring in the older folks). Look at a video on YT for the live performance of any contemporary work. Have you even seen the BBC Proms? Seems like this 'rejection' you speak of, is a hallucination in a frustrated mind.
Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
Through youtube I found the pianist Lola Astanova. In one video I recall her saying how bad the state of music is now and how little she likes recent music. But she's a professional, she's very talented, she should be able to appreciate this music right? That's a misguided question. Instead she has on youtube a very popular cover of a RIHANNA song. And she loves Madonna. She's right, professional pianists want to play Rachmaninoff or Chopin, not Boulez.
Astanova is a 25 year old who exclusively plays Rachmaninoff, Chopin and Liszt. Well I'll be damned: a young professional pianist who only wants to perform showcase pieces? That's one in a million...
Seriously though, think about this for a moment: you are using the shitty opinion of one person, to support your own, even shittier opinion. Are you feeling the ground beneath your feet starting to give a little?
Kefienzel, on 04 February 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:
Current composers tinker with schemes no one cares about, labor heavily over misguided plans to produde "12 Apologies for Contrabassoon and Electronic Harp" that almost no one, save the composer, will like at all. This is a travesty. After Stravinsky died, where has there been an insanely popular living composer, one who is a household name (at least in upper class households)? I can think of one composer who is a household name almost universally: John Williams. Do you see my point?
Who is the composer for the "12 Apologies for Contrabassoon and Electric Harp"? That sounds interesting as hell.
But after all this, I get what you are trying to say: popularity=quality. If a composer isn't an 'upper class house hold name', than they suck. Well I'll be darned: up until this point, I had it in my mind that you were just some blundering toddler who attempted to give a universal set of criteria to judge music, let alone attempt to say that music can be objectively good or bad. You got me.
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