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Hello all,

I just saw a review of artificial composing software. In short: with this software, the user can select the music genre, mood, the sections build-up, rhythmic activity etc. Next to these selections, the user can make his/her own adjustments/preferences. Although in my opinion the "compositions" sounded weird and very artificial indeed, I think it is a scary development. I mean what about 10 or 20 years from now?

I think that real composers, regardless of their level, would cringe by the very thought of using this kind of software. Even using it as a helping tool, e.g. "inspiration" or "efficiency", I would feel myself like a big faker. Personally, when I say I have written or composed a piece of music, this means that I have written every single note you hear.

I do use, like probably most of you, music notation software and production software (virtual instruments, recording etc).

What are your thoughts regarding these developments?

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So far, I think this artificial intelligence generated music is based on all the previous music. What it can't do is innovate.

Can we innovate? I hope some composers do it.

Regarding using it as a tool for writing, why not? Depending on how you work with the material it could be fine (for me). It's like composing with random methods. Sometimes I do it to see what happens, and I found several levels of controlling the results.

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AI in general seems to be on the way to making humans redundant. Although a philosophical issue beyond music the idea that humanity is the last in an evolutionary line is quite some arrogance. It could be that once humanity is wiped out along with the ecology that once supported it, intelligent machines could follow on. After all, they can learn and teach each other, given a limited set of functions they can act a lot faster than people, etc, etc. It could also lead to a general purpose AI machine looking and acting very much like a human. What they lack at present is the will to survive. 

As for music, while people still exist a few will create. The musical ones will compose and some will play instruments (among which you can include DAW and recording studio). The composers will be distilled from those who think it's enough to buy a DAW with an instant orchestra sample library just to make sounds. To those who persevere or have it in their blood AI music will be irrelevant. If someone needs AI to compose their melodies or find the best chords, they're the equivalent of ready-meal-just-add-water brigade or Lego composers - still composers, and their music might come into its own in the end, just as carefully crafted sample compositions are now. 

I have a little number going in quick sound clips for various purposes but I'm pretty sure when I notice the background music on most TV programmes and it's more than inane drumming, that the thing is often produced entirely by AI. I find it irritating (as I do much film music) and wish they'd bung it on a sub-channel so I can switch it off). But it's there. Broadcasters think it necessary.  

So...my thoughts about AI generated music? Why not stick a couple of microphones in front of the speakers to do the listening - so I can get on somewhere else composing and looking for people to play and listen to what I've done.

As Luis Hernandez says: thus far, it can't create. 

:)

 

Edited by Quinn
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On 11/3/2019 at 7:52 PM, Quinn said:

As Luis Hernandez says: thus far, it can't create. 

Whilst I agree with position that AI cannot create (at least for the near future) I Ann interested in what we mean by creation. Do we imply the creation of something, new, innovative and challenging? Or can creation extend to the production of a piece of music that is more or less confined to subset of rules like, for instance, the vast majority of music composed during the common practice period? 

I am particularly interested in the latter question, as I do think we have the technology to enable AI to produce music aligned with the common practice period. Essentially, AI would learn various types of patterns and how to realize them, and one would think that over time it will learn how to manipulate them with increasing complexity. 

To reject the view that such computerized activity does not equate to creation depends on your perspective, and I suppose on the level of musical sophistication of the work AI can produce. Even so, there is a serious possibility that the intensively manual process of composition will become redundant. How soon depends on how aggressive these things are pursued.

i am doubtful that an engine which creates music from the common practice period will pop up on the scene anytime soon, for there is not much economic incentive to do so... unless one thought to I ncorporate a vast library of ideas and realizations into a music software which, like corrections to human errors, would be recommended to the user should their basso continuo, for instance, defy the practice they wish to emulate. 

Very interesting topic. Let’s hope others show interest. 

Edited by Markus Boyd

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