christianc Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hi all, When I compose a piano accompaniment part (for example: sonata for clarinet and piano), it's always arppeggios, broken chords or rythm figures (oom-pah)... This is dull, but I don't know what to do else! :) Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montpellier Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 The value of piano accompaniment to me is the contrast between the percussive nature of the piano and the melody instrument - many such instruments can be percussive too, of course, like staccato and particularly the strings with their propensity for sharp attacks. There's nothing wrong with arpeggios, especially with a few added notes, nor strides etc. The secret is getting good, interesting harmony. But you can always counterpoint the piano with the instrument, with care - a solo line or two lines...one above, one below the clarinet? What about giving the clarinet the bass with quiet piano chords very high? Might be worth studying some melodic piano pieces to see how the masters/missuses dealt with accompanying their own melodies. Chopin is an obvious one - so is Liszt where he'd often "suspend" the melody in the middle of the texture, played alternately by L & R hands (usually the thumbs!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christianc Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 The value of piano accompaniment to me is the contrast between the percussive nature of the piano and the melody instrument Oh, that's true! I'm (was) too much thinking piano as "harmony part"... a solo line or two lines...one above, one below the clarinet? What about giving the clarinet the bass with quiet piano chords very high?Might be worth studying some melodic piano pieces to see how the masters/missuses dealt with accompanying their own melodies. Chopin is an obvious one - so is Liszt where he'd often "suspend" the melody in the middle of the texture, played alternately by L & R hands (usually the thumbs!) Lol really? Sounds interesting... that's an other "received idea" to think piano as only under the solo instrument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Also, I would suggest that you eventually stop thinking of the piano as accompaniment, and perhaps start thinking of the two instruments more as equals. In most of the instrumental sonatas written by the great composers, I would estimate that the piano tends to get about 1/3 of the melodic material. This might involve, for example, doing something like having the clarinet play sustained notes (either bass, middle harmony, or a descant line) while the piano plays the melody for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinS Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 If you want to hear a good example of the piano trading off melody with the soloist, listen to "Adagio and Allegro" for horn by Schumann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldKatt Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Also, I would suggest that you eventually stop thinking of the piano as accompaniment, and perhaps start thinking of the two instruments more as equals. In most of the instrumental sonatas written by the great composers, I would estimate that the piano tends to get about 1/3 of the melodic material. If you look at Mozart and contemporaries, you'll even find that the piano tends to be seen as the most important instrument. Titles like "Sonata for the pianoforte, with the accompaniment of a violin" are quite common. This way of thinking has certainly gone out of fashion since, but just about all really great music written since for a solo instrument and piano is best described as chamber music for two equal instruments, rather than solo music with accompaniment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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