Mahler is the king

The great symphonists, Beethoven immedately comes into my mind, but after him, here was only Herr Mahler, he was the greatest Composer in late romantic tradition, and also i should mention that after him shotakovich is probably the last great symphonist, how can you compose orchestral music if u never had heard of their symphonies, and analyze it in detail? Another great symphonist is Franz Schubert, although he was heavily influenced by mozart and beethoven, he had great gifts in writing symphonies, of course, i am all talk if i don't give you some examples, so here are the third movement of mahler's second symphony, and fourth movement of Schubert's nineth "The Great".

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How do you feel about Richard Strauss! I think if Mahler mixed with Richard Strauss you would have one of the most GREATEST COMPOSERS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Romantic of Course) Oooooooooooooooooh and Ralph Vaughan williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although some of his stuff could be classified as 20th century

Are you infferring that Shostakovich was the last one to write a symphony that is good?

Then everybody after him just sucked at it?

I am infering that Shostakovich is the last one who writes music that's "mahlerian" and frankly i haven't heard many contemporay symphonist, hence, i cant really say that Shotakovich is the last great one, in my opinion, his music matches my taste for symphonic music, and yes, i forgot about Richard Strauss, he was great too

I appreciate Mahler. Symphony #2 made me cry the first time I heard it.

That said, I've always preferred a sharp edge to a heavy blade.

I don't mind Mahler, but I'm absolutely not a fan. Mahler, Bruckner, et al. seemed to dispense with subtlety far too frequently... often feels like they're doing the musical equivalent of waving their arms wildly in my face and shouting into my ear.

To me, Brahms was by far the greatest of the late Romantic composers... dramatic without being overbearing. And let's look beyond symphonies - even though his symphonies made Brahms famous, he was at his best when writing chamber music.

And yes, one compose orchestral music without having analyzed Mahler in detail or even having heard him. All the symphonists before him seemed to do fine! :).

Oh goooooshhhhhhhhhhhh I can't believe you said that about Mahler, I think its more like if you got it, flaunt it.

And Mahler definitely did that!

I so badly wanna hear his 10th~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhhHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just saw Dayton Phil perform John Adams Harmonielrhe and Neal Gittleman(Conductor)he made references to Mahlers 10th and showed how they are very much similar

he [brahms] was at his best when writing chamber music.

I used to think so. Then I heard his choral music...and I wasn't so sure. :P

I think Mahler and Richard Strauss were both born as orchestras and got mutated by radiation into humans!

I think Mahler and Richard Strauss were both born as orchestras and got mutated by radiation into humans!

I agree with that now we need somebody with a doctorate to say that its true.

According to Star Trek, Brahms was really Leonardo da Vinci.

according to star trek, minuet was a person :P

I should start watching this star trek.

Mahler's music is PLENTY subtle. The problem lies with conductors like Bernstein who are anything but. Unfortunately, most conductors have been heavily influenced by Bernsteins Mahler, so all we get are bloated, horribly slow-paced, unbalanced overblown interpretations. Mahler is also poorly classified as a "mega romantic". His music can get sentimental at times, but his actual compositional procedures have a distinctly classical-era flavor. Notice the stark clarity of the voice leading and counterpoint througout much his work.

I don't mind Mahler, but I'm absolutely not a fan. Mahler, Bruckner, et al. seemed to dispense with subtlety far too frequently... often feels like they're doing the musical equivalent of waving their arms wildly in my face and shouting into my ear.

To me, Brahms was by far the greatest of the late Romantic composers... dramatic without being overbearing. And let's look beyond symphonies - even though his symphonies made Brahms famous, he was at his best when writing chamber music.

And yes, one compose orchestral music without having analyzed Mahler in detail or even having heard him. All the symphonists before him seemed to do fine! ;).

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Schubert, in my opinion, was not a good symphonic composer. I have never liked his symphonies, even the unfinished.

Mahler is good, esp. mvt 4 of his 9th, mvt 5 of his 2nd, and mvt 4 of his 5th. Other than those select examples, however, I find it hard to "love" Mahler. It truly is a love-hate relationship between him and I.