Finally! Masterful Bachian counterpoint, excellence in Late Baroque. Similar to Bach.

You have the honour to hear two Compositions of mine. I have worked with them for 5 weeks now - at least two hours each day. Not to brag, but I believe I have mastered baroque counterpoint to such a degree that my works equal those of J.S. Bach, whom I model my compositions after.

I present you my works.

Click here to listen to my Harpsichord Sonata.

Click here to listen to my Royal Allegro. (Intention: lively Royal dances)

PS, I don't want any PLEBIAN remarks. I believe my work equals that of Bach, and to an untrained ear, my works could easily be mistaken for those of J.S. Bach. Unless you are a master of late 1700s European Baroque, I want no snide remarks from amateurs who cannot appreciate true Baroque art.

Yours truly

Baroquefanatic

well, you certainly have a good grasp of counterpoint and the baroque style...personally i found this to be a bit boring as you have the root pretty much on the bass and 5th for a long time, but thats besides the point. i did enjoy the ethnic vibe i got, but i wouldnt consider this to be an "early Bach replica" considering Bach had some of teh most interesting bass lines ive ever heard.

Overall, good composition Mr. PraeludiumUndFuge :whistling:

A great middle eastern feel

I am extremely offended that anyone could find my composition "middle-eastern". It is written in a purely European Baroque- style with proper counterpoint and harmony.

In my opinion, anyone who says that this sounds different from Bach can surely not be knowledgeable about baroque music. I have used 5 weeks to complete my baroque piece, and I listen to Baroque music exclusively. I believe I am finally able to emulate Bach 100%.

If you upload the score I can show you why this isn't Bach-esqe in a large deal of it.

I think my composition is perfect Bachian baroque, and I must unfortunately admit that I am outraged that anyone could think otherwise. In my opinion, obviously most people here have no grasp of Baroque.

just a question....why do you post music?

for listening pleasure?

ways to get better at writing?

i cant pinpoint it, but it seems like you just want people to kiss your feet. So what if people get a different feeling then what you are trying to convey. you yourself said:

"Criticism is equally welcome as all feedback"

no one can perfectly emulate Bach, your piece did not sound like Bach to me, and sorry to be frank, but you are being an donkey to the people that take time out of THEIR lives to listen and give feedback to YOUR music. dont post if you dont want feedback.

being a jerk is why you got banned in the first place

That is all,

Vince

just a question....why do you post music?

being a jerk is why you got banned in the first place

That is all,

Vince

First of all, I have never been banned from this forum before. I am new to the forum.

I post my works so that people who would like to, can study my technique, and try to emulate my compositional skills. I think it is generous of me to upload my compositions here so that people can listen to them for free. Many people can learn from the uploaded compositions.

I also post my compositions so that people can tell me their feedback, however I believe that to say my music is "middle-eastern" and so on, has to be done out of spite. OBVIOUSLY, it does not sound middle - eastern, but European Baroque, so obviously the person saying that it sounds middle eastern, is trying to provoke me or be funny. There would be no other reason.

To say stuff just to upset me as a Composer, is not proper feedback IMO.

Obviously if someone says your piece is middle-eastern to them, that is their opinion, i doubt he was making a joke out of it (why would he make a joke, that makes no sense.)

Furthermore, you said "PS, I don't want any PLEBIAN negative comments from you lot. Only constructive comments! Many of you would not even recognize an unknown Bach piece if it was shown to you, you'd just criticize anyway."

no one is going to comment saying " this piece sucks, give up, you fail at music" any kind of negative comments are GOOD for you, as in what i said. i told you i found the bass line boring (un-Bach-like) so what you could do as a composer is vary it up a bit. not saying you have to, but if you want to dedicate so much of your time to be a self-proclaimed Bach emulator then you should listen to what others have to say about your piece...whether it is positive or NEGATIVE

Dear Baroquefanatic,

Hello and welcome to the forum! I listened to your composition and though I may not be knowledgeable enough as far as baroque music is concerned, your composition didn't remind me at all baroque music let alone Bach. I don't want to sound offending and it would be a mistake if you took my comments as such. I agree that it has a middle eastern feel, which means that you probably overuse the three semitone interval which as far as I know isn't really in the style of baroque. Furthermore, even though we don't have a score to be able to comment more properly, the bass line seems a bit monotonous and I also hear many parallel fifths which weren't permitted even in the Renaissance era (at least in choral music). If that was a Bach piece we would only sparsely hear the three semitone interval and the bass line would have an equal role with the other voices and not just keep the rhythm and some rudimentary harmony.

Alexandros

Sounds like a parody to me.

Yes it definitely has a middle eastern flavour with its drones in the bass. I don't know why you would associate it with Bach. Its not a bad piece just not even close to Baroque counterpoint.

So, Baroquefanatic, how much Bach have you actually listen to (let alone early Bach)?

Small note: The interval three half tones in size isn't a tritone, but a minor third or augmented second. In the way it appears in this piece most of the times it would be an augmented second, also called hiatus.

To me, this does have a very middle eastern feel (sorry!). The parellel fifths moving around the scale, resolving to the tonic is very middle eastern. I think your counterpoint is good, and the piece itself is good, but the harmonies do not sound very Bachian to me!

I think you've got some firm foundations upon which to improve. You do need some more harmonic variation imo.

Im afraid I have to agree with everyone else, it does sound very middle-eastern.

We are not saying this to provoke you, that is what your music sounds like.

And it is very arrogant of you to compare yourself to Bach, from my study of Baroque music, I would not ever mistake that for Bach's work.

And I must also agree with thatguy, think about what the others have said, we have taken the time to listen to, what is a good piece, and telling you what we think.

I will leave it there, but lastly...you are not Bach!

Y'know constructive criticism is more important than a pat on the back. Even if I like a work, I still want to give the composer a bit of general advice. When I first submitted a piece here, somebody told me to 'stop listening to film music' and to listen to more concert hall works. My music teacher in secondary school made a similar statement, which I at first had trouble understanding. But trust me, this advice was the most important thing anyone has ever said to me (in my world of music). So, instead of criticising people for posting constructive criticism, take the advice on board.

For me personally, the 'Allegro' is really beautiful, but would be so much better with more harmonic variation. Also, the transition from the intro (upto 00:11) to the next section would work better if you kept up your counterpoint, in my opinion.

I am not trying to insult your compositions but i am voicing my opinions,you too could voice your opinions at my compositions,as a composer please bE not be riGid

Nice trolling.

Well, as a college music professor, I guess my comments can't be viewed as "plebian". So I will fire away.

Where exactly is the counterpoint in your music? I hear an awful lot of repeated open 5ths in the bass with a hectic soprano line scampering above.

As for the middle-eastern comments you seem to be taking such great offence to, well, lay off the augmented 2nds and people will be less inclined to make those comments. Augmented 2nds were treated in a VERY specific fashion in Bach's day, and needed careful resolution, which you do not achieve with either of these pieces.

You really can't brag that you've mastered baroque counterpoint until you are actually WRITING baroque counterpoint. Show us some. And trust me, Bach you ain't.

I am heavily suspicious that this thread was started as either an attempt at trolling or a joke of poor quality.

You have the honour to hear two Compositions of mine. I have worked with them for 5 weeks now - at least two hours each day. Not to brag, but I believe I have mastered baroque counterpoint to such a degree that my works equal those of J.S. Bach, whom I model my compositions after.

I present you my works.

Click here to listen to my Harpsichord Sonata.

Click here to listen to my Royal Allegro. (Intention: lively Royal dances)

PS, I don't want any PLEBIAN remarks. I believe my work equals that of Bach, and to an untrained ear, my works could easily be mistaken for those of J.S. Bach. Unless you are a master of late 1700s European Baroque, I want no snide remarks from amateurs who cannot appreciate true Baroque art.

Yours truly

Baroquefanatic

Um, well I can back up QcCowboy and his awesome college music professor creds with my own more meager creds as a student cellist who has played many a basso continuo in my time. There is nothing to suggest baroque about your compositions. NOTHING. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't even hear a Ic-V-I cadence for God's sake.

It's mostly your avid use of consective fifths, consistent use of the flattened-sixth to sharpened-seventh interval (augmented second) - the source of the oriental feel - and then the lack of those formulaic ideas which plague baroque music. PLAGUE it. Try some bog standard progressions like circles of fifths, stick to I, ii, IV and V chords and don't use consecutive fifths.

As a free composition its pretty good. As baroque, well...

...I don't want any PLEBIAN remarks.

...spare your plebian opinions.

Who the hell uses the word plebian?!! The same person, that's who.

MODS - investigate please!!

:whistling:

Gardener mentioned this smelled like a parody, uh, and it does. Lurk moar.

Gardener mentioned this smelled like a parody, uh, and it does. Lurk moar.

Yes, indeed. What troubles me though, is that we spent much more time to a person that does not really deserve it, while other composers who genuinely ask for comments do not always get so much attention. I don't exclude myself from that as I very much bothered to write some comments when I haven't done that to other composers who would really want to hear other people's opinions and don't just post their compositions to joke or whatever. Even if Baroquefanatic's post isn't a parody or a joke, what I have said still apply because of his arrogant behaviour which in my opinion is completely antithetical to his decision to share his compositions with us...

Alexandros

Are baroque and middle-eastern mutually exclusive?

I just joined the site.I know about counterpoint of bach. the use of point pedal allows to make "things" that are not tipical. your overuse of the harmonic tetracord is out of style, the use of parallel 5ths in a modal way is out of style too. the form in general is confused

, it is not clear, why dont you analize deeply the bach's works? try to compose an invention and a prelude and fugue following bach's formulas without using point pedal and using the correct modulations, you will surprise how much you will improve. and get a good teacher.