Piano Concerto

This is the first ever piano concerto where the entire orchestra is tacet the complete time the piano plays. The orchestra represents society. The piano represents the individual. In today's world of cacophony in the media, the individual is silenced from ever expressing his genius by the society that breeds him, by silencing the orchestra, the most important statement ever made in musical history is here for our times.

Piano Concerto

Hi,

First remark even before I have opened your file.... "Best concerto in history"... who are you to be so pretentious? So you consider yourself the best composer in history as well? Better than the ones established in time? Better than Bach, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Chopin, Scriabin, Shostakovitch and so many others? Yet ... I must say - but that is propably my fault ... I never had heared until now of you...

Now let us see if you are THAT great a composer.... Great composers are not afraid to put up their score? Where is yours?

If there is something that I hate, it are people who boast especially about themselves.

WS

You call this a pianoconcerto? You call this the best concerto in history?

.... I do not know your musical taste, but this seems to be a small child without any musical training whatsoever hitting some keys on the keyboard... The best concerto in history... MY donkey!!!!!

ahah, i hope its a joke.... :o

who are you to be so pretentious?

Who are you to be so presumptuous?

So you consider yourself the best composer in history as well?

I am most certainly one of the best composers, if not, THE best composer who ever lived. All the composers you mention are not relevant to our time, which is the greatest time in all of history.

Great composers are not afraid to put up their score? Where is yours?

I think it is funny that you require a score. My work does not require a score, it is far too elegant to be chained down by the drudgeries of paper. My work is completely electronic, and in the spirit of Glenn Gould who correctly predicted that the concert hall would be irrelevant by the year 2000. Why write scores for players that don't need to exist?? Obviously, you do not understand, it seems.

@alessandrogozzo: no joke, It might be beyond your comprehension level, however.

Also, my music training is of the highest degree.

My work is completely electronic, and in the spirit of Glenn Gould who correctly predicted that the concert hall would be irrelevant by the year 2000. Why write scores for players that don't need to exist?? Obviously, you do not understand, it seems.

If you understood Glenn Gould's essays/interviews on the concert hall at all, you would know that he was against public performance however not people learning music - in his ideal world of battleship grey houses, there is a need for music scores.

I haven't listened to your piano concerto, going by your attitude.. I most likely wont even bother.

You arse.

Your pretentious comments honestly have made me feel quite sick, not to mention your abomination that you have the audacity to call music never mind a concerto.

Who are you to waltz in and decide that you're the greatest composer in history? When so many who have gone before you, and indeed many today have stuggled and worked for years on end learning what it is to be a composer; an instrumentalist; a conductor. The truth is that you cannot just decide to be the greatest, that alone is the oppinion of those who hear your music.

You said that the composers mentioned by WS are not relevant to our time... yet, you chose your name to be "@TheGreat12Tones" which is something of a contridiction is it not?

I mean:

1 - If your name is based up the 12 tone technique largely attributed to the music of Schoenberg, then you yourself have made his music relevant to today. Also Schoenberg did not dismiss the past as not being of relevence, he saw his 12-tone technique as the natural progression of western music. Also you'll find many of his forms are derived from those invented by composers of the past

2 - If the past is so irrelevant, why do you have 12 tones? Surely this is something invented and perfected by hundreds of years of musicians?

3 - You call your work a concerto, a form invented by other composers.

"Also, my music training is of the highest degree." Surely you could tell us lesser mortals what training you acctualy have?

Please do yourself a favour. Delete this work, apologise to the people of YC, and unless you wish to write some serious music rather than this ill thought through tripe the don't attempt compose again.

I think it's time for a little song (with apologies to Hugh Martin and Ralph Blane):

Ding, ding, ding went the TROLL-y

Clang, clang, clang went the bell

Clack, clack, clack went his keyboard

Oh God, he's joined THIS forum as well...

(repeat ad infinitum until banned)

After 2 minutes composition becomes boring. You are not changing anything for the 5 minutes neither the rythm or dynamic or something that will keep interest. And if this is a piano concerto aren't supposed to be an orchestra as well?

I don't ever want to hear another F# as long as I live...

Guy's obviously a troll. =/ What a shame. He has a talent for writing exceptional music. Exceptional.

Well. Wolfgang, I think you have been rude. Maybe part of being a composer, is stir up some emotions, trolling really does that. keep an open mind.

But even if it is serious, it is possible to like, because of the programmatic idea of individuality vs society. I loved the tacet-idea. Oh, and I thought the oboe solo was well orchestrated

While not what it's advertised to be, it's got some interesting parts.

You work timbre interestingly, using the electronic palette to create a minimalistic spectrum while still pushing that limited spectru to its limits, especially in the faster and deeper parts.

I would have liked a bit more rhythmic kinkiness as the piece progressed, kind of distorting it.

There were large sections that seemed undeveloped and could have used a bit more work, especially in the contrapuntal sections.

This sounds as if you were discovering that musical notes exist, and you were experimenting to find out if you'd ever make them work for something..... and you did: You could grab the attention of a few naive listeners to make laugh some of them, and tick others off. Well, go ahead, and keep doing so until either you find something better to spend your life with (something far less sad, preferably) or they definitely ban you off.

And with all due respect to Mr. Sachs, you're right, it is somewhat fool to require a score of this from you.

Ok. Here is a more "serius comment"

Altought the idea of the "invididual vs society" is interesting, I think is a cliched idea. Also, I think that idea isn't developed correctly

This piece have a nice moments, but I find very plain and boring. Really this don't deserves the title of the "best concerto" in all time. Also I don't believe that this your Opus 588.

Well. Wolfgang, I think you have been rude.

Well, I think that in his reply he has been rude as well. But never mind, I will draw my own conclusions.

Thank you.

If I am not mistaken I believe it was you who encouraged me to participate in this forum as I could be a valid contributor to this forum. Yet, you esteem it decent that somebody proclaims he is "the best composer" with "the best concerto ever".... In any case I have something to think about tonight, being my membership to this forum.

Edited December 26, 201015 yr by WolfgangSachs

hahah this is funny. you are obviously half serious. I happen to think the piece is pretty cool. not a concerto but anyone who thinks it is terrible is a little ignorant. there are some cool moments melodically and harmonically and its a pretty typical minimalist style, which people on this forum seem to love?

bottom line: gave me a good laugh and the piece, I thought, was cool.

Best piece on the site hands down.

Someone likes to have fun, I like fun too. :>

Don't take the internets so seriously people, geesh.

This is the dumbest piece I've seen in a long time.

I think he mocks of this community, and that's what I didn't like.

I don't ever want to hear another F# as long as I live...

Guy's obviously a troll. =/ What a shame. He has a talent for writing exceptional music. Exceptional.

So you're saying he's got one "great tone" perfected? Good for him. 11 to go, and he'll have no need of us!

I think his upload was worth it just for the forum's reaction, LOL!!! :lol:

***gets popcorn***

hahah this is funny. you are obviously half serious. I happen to think the piece is pretty cool. not a concerto but anyone who thinks it is terrible is a little ignorant. there are some cool moments melodically and harmonically and its a pretty typical minimalist style, which people on this forum seem to love?

bottom line: gave me a good laugh and the piece, I thought, was cool.

you call us ignorant for thinking this piece is terrible? You find it a cool piece?That is absolutely you own good right. But... a community who thinks that his attitude is ok, that is music is fine and even great, ...

This has nothing to do with being minimalistic, this has nothing to do with music. My nephew is two and when he comes and visits me, he plays "concertos" of this style on my piano.

If people who think this is seriously good music, I think it is time for me to leave this site. I am sorry, but I cannot take that community seriously anymore. It is a community I think I really cannot belong to any longer.

WS

you call us ignorant for thinking this piece is terrible? You find it a cool piece?That is absolutely you own good right. But... a community who thinks that his attitude is ok, that is music is fine and even great, ...

This has nothing to do with being minimalistic, this has nothing to do with music. My nephew is two and when he comes and visits me, he plays "concertos" of this style on my piano.

If people who think this is seriously good music, I think it is time for me to leave this site. I am sorry, but I cannot take that community seriously anymore. It is a community I think I really cannot belong to any longer.

WS

:horrified:

***drops popcorn***

If people who think this is seriously good music, I think it is time for me to leave this site.

Leave then, since I think it's QUACKQUACK AWESOME, just for making all this mess of a thread. I think it's a great thing when art causes people to do stuff, even if the guy fanned the flames some.

Honestly it's a harmless little piece and the guy was obviously expecting this retarded reaction from guys like you. Does it mean you have to like the piece? No. It doesn't.

Just cut the drama.

Edited December 30, 201015 yr by jawoodruff
removed obscenity