Chanukah

Hello,

My name is Saul Dzorelashvili. Im a 29 year old Classical composer and Pianist from New york city.

This work is called 'Chanukah' based on the Jewish holiday. It is an orchestral work.

Chanukah In G minor for Orchestra :

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/saulsmusic/Hanukah.mp3

My website :

Saul Dzorelashvili - Classical Composer

Hello...

This is fine, I like it. The only problems I had were i) the slight unevenness in style (a few minutes in it started to use iterated pedal notes like in Bachian or baroque music) - and ii) the balance wasn't convincing during some crescendos. Like the brass had the timbre of f or ff but the strings were easily competing - in real life the brass would be more prominent. And where the entire ensemble was suddenly cut back to p - as if you adjusted the master-fade suddenly.

Maybe I'm noticing it more because I've got the computer connected to the hi-fi.

But all in all, good composition (aside from the Vivaldi/Bach moments!). Sorry I can't give you more precise timings to my comments but the player doesn't have a timer on it. I'll have to get my stopwatch going if you want that!

:D

you could get a new player montpellier..

jk

nice piece saul

not much to say really, I'm still new to composition and reviewing pieces, but if I think of something I'll come back and put some more.

thanks for the addition

Thanks guys !

If you like to know more about this work click here:

http://www.freewebs.com/saulsmusic/chanukah.htm

Maybe other would be interested to listen to this work

C H A N U K A H

G'day Saul.

I enjoyed this. Although I'll agree with Mont that in places, specifically around the beginning, it has a rather uneven feel in places. Around 3 minutes it gets a little bare, and that's fine, but the bareness stretches a little long for my taste(over a minute)...until you reintroduce the theme, where it's interest resumes, with nice contrasting section at around 4:54. Around 5:35 and what follows sees some development of a subtheme which I like. And I enjoyed what you've done through to the end.

I know this is among the barest of reviews, but overall, I enjoyed what you've done with this piece. You've taken time with it, with dynamics, and orchestration and thematic material. There are just some moments I feel drag it a bit.

I also think this should not have been moved. It's a completed work, and it meets the requirements, imo.

Meets minimum requirements, but the quality is why it was moved. We're becoming much stricter remember?

Quality? By what standard? How would you define? I think this needs to be defined in the guidelines if it's going to be a term employed for ousting music. I realise that is somewhat difficult to do, but without it, one is left with arbitrary decisions on what makes "good" and "not so good" music. But I won't turn this into another argument...

Was moved?

I think that there are very few works in this website that match the beauty and granduer of this work Chanukah.

Im astonished it was moved. Im totaly inlove with this work and I must say that I cant understand why it was moved.

I will not post any more music in 'Major works ' because I guess some people decided that nothing I write is good enough to be placed there. Its my longest work and I took time and worked alote on it carefully.

I consider it as my principal work and most major that I ever wrote.

Maybe I just see things in this music that you can't fathom or Imagine.

Maybe being on the Top is not what matters . What really matters are those feelings that are aroused while listening to my music. At least with this I hope that I was successfull.

Best Wishes All.

I'm no senior member here. But there is an obvious difference in the caliber of the works produced by the senior members (moderators) like Nico and CaltechViolist, and the quality of compositions of untrained musicians who lack the terminology to describe the form and content of their own work. One can only create to the extent that one can understand.

It seems to me that a practical way to deal with unqualifying works being posted under Major Works would be to disable new threads in that forum. Everyone's work starts in one of the other forums, and the mods can elect to promote a piece into the major works section at their discretion. This would:

1) Create a lot less work for the mods; they no longer have to provide defense for why they moved a piece

2) Help to more clearly articulate the expectations for quality of a work

3) Require the writer to be able to give a rationale for certain devices he used, and successfully defend his work as a precursor to his work being promoted.

4) Result in a consistently high standard of music in the major works section

To make things even easier for the mods, why not require a thumbs-up on it by a certain number of senior members before it goes up for review? (A mod could override this and promote a piece for review if he gets to it first).

Also, it's fundamentally ridiculous that one can nominate one's own work as being a major work. It's not only the height of arrogance, but it's entirely arbitrary. Doesn't everyone think his latest work is his greatest work?

Can you present for me any work that was ever posted here that was any better in any way then My orchestral work Chanukah?

Im very honest, if indeed that work is any better I would tell you.

I mean this with all seriousness.

I came to the conclusion that there is no single work in this website that is as original and beautiful, deep and meaningful then my orchestral work Chanukah. This is the Truth and Im not an arrogant person at all.

Chanukah thus is the greatest work that ever was posed in this website.

Anyone that disagrees lacks understanding of Music.

Best wishes.

Saul, in two sentences you have said "I'm better than anyone else" and "I'm not arrogant". Both statements, especially together, are both meaningless and ridiculous to anyone who reads them.

No one doubts that Chanukah is more "original and beautiful, deep and meaningful" for YOU than anything else here is. But promoting these aesthetic qualities of your own work unilaterally has absolutely no value to anyone else unless you can quantify it.

If you want anyone to take you seriously, get over the need to have everyone swooning over your piece. When I hear your piece, I hear various parts of your piece copying Baroque music, other parts trying to sound Romantic, and other sections probably trying to copy nice sections of film scores you heard somewhere before. I hear a distinct lack of understanding of modulation and development. I hear fragments of themes that are not properly resolved or connected. I hear a limited understanding of orchestration techniques.

If I thought it was worth my time to say more so someone who's so stuck up about their own music, I would be more specific. But until I hear a much more respectful tone in your posts to those who run this forum, I won't bother replying to any more of your posts.

Looks like the work has been removed, at least, it's not found the second time I tried to download. Too bad, was going to listen again.

Im leaving this site. Thanks for all that were nice to me and took the time to listen to my music.

This is the worst website I have ever took part in. Im astonished at the stupidity and idioticy of some posters here and this runs all the way high to some moderators. No level of respect is kept here, the F word is been used so freely , its realy disgusting and shameful.

I demand all that all the works that I have posted here be removed from this site. I will take my music elsewhere, this site is not worth it.

I repeat , Please remove all my works from this website, thanks.

Goodbye to all the good people here, they know who they are.

Saul Dzorelashvili

[censored by self]

Just for the record, Saul, if your still around, I happened to like your work more than some of the other works I have heard that remain in "major works", including reviewer's/mod's work, which we know will likely never be ousted, no matter how much they claim unbiased objectivity. Course, in so saying, I must of course be a musical idiot who doesn't know what he's on about.

Happy trails and hope you find a site that suits you better.

Rather immature for a 29-year-old.

That's just adding insult to injury and thus equally immature.

I can honestly (and unapologetically) understand his annoyance.

The way people's compositions are moved off Major Works is usually rudely done, worse that it seems to involve at least one musically and critically unqualified person, narrow minded to boot, who wouldn't know a major work if he tripped over it.

I don't think maturity comes into it. People get upset when rudely dealt with. That's how people are.

It would cost nothing to introduce a little politeness; or a system where all submissions to this forum are premoderated, with a banner describing the process, what to expect (in a polite fashion, considering the age and experience of many members - that the work might be rejected) - and only continue with submission on the basis of this understanding. In that way, in case of rejection, it's known only to composer and panel and the composer can then decide whether to post it on another forum.

There must be a few of us here who have had scores rejected...but they're usually accompanied by a polite note and at least a few encouraging words for the future (not always but more often than not). After all, when you do write that masterpiece, they'd like to think they were in with a chance.

Why does it seem that the older new members here are more like this than the younger ones? Shouldn't the older ones among us be examples to us younger ones?

I mean Schroter was 32

Exemos (well, let's not count him)

Revolutionary was 20 something

And compared to alot of the younger members, they had a heap more expierence than alot of us (myself included). And I feel as though we could have learned something, but since they were whiny they just left because they were so arrogant and whatnot. And when the Admins and Review crew gave them one bad thing, they just exploded.

Heh, listen to me monologue

Montpellier - I ask you very seriously, without any rude attitude towards you thus: How should we go about doing this? I simply said "This has been deemed unfit for the Major Works section by 3 reviewers/mods, and thus moved. I even added a :D, to let them know i wasn't being evil about it. Would you like us to put a nice :w00t: after it? I mean this in all seriousness, and I really don't intend to be obnoxious here, but I'm just saying, what would you say?

Politeness and respect needs to be added to a formal submissions process. The composer submits the work via a form with score/blurbs attached. It's considered by whoever, a decision is reached and the composer informed. If yes, the work gets posted, else the composer is informed and can decide whether or not to post it elsewhere, without being publically told it's "unfit"! .

In this context unfit can be read as "unwell" or "not good", which might be an insult - it certainly doesn't show any artistic respect for someone's act of creativity - the panel is only making judgements after all. Ok, you like the power that goes with the ability to use such terms but what's wrong with "it did not meet the requirements of the Major Works forum because of........" or "it was deemed unsuitable because of....." IF the site owners want this kind of filtering at all.

Why not have a standard, nicely worded rejection note?

There's also no need to make a public display of telling someone. .Inform the composer by way of a PM. It costs no more (probably less work) that moving a post and typing a rejection message.

When a score is rejected by the BBC or an orchestra, they don't broadcast it across the nation, nor publish details in the radio/local events bulletins.

It doesn't over-concern me because I don't visit that forum often (for several non-political reasons that needn't be raised here - time, mostly).

My gripe is seeing some composers angry, with some justification at times, over unnecessary rudeness. The treatment is unprofessional where you're hoping to attract "professional-quality" work. .It messes up the flow and destroys what could be the constructive tone of this site. And usually trails a string of fatuous posts about the composer's immaturity and other throwaway comments that don't help. If you must work this way, let the composer publicly object with dignity. It's bound to happen.

Finally, one appreciates the need for filtering out unsuitable works if the Major Works forum is to be taken seriously. It's the manner in which it's done, the words used, the lack of encouragement. Not even a "thanks for your interest".

Bear in mind that some younger members aren't engaged in real-life music, ensembles, orchestras, and depend on these forums for almost all their encouragement. Cut the crap about 'it's a hard life, that's how it is'. Here's a chance to encourage those trying to show their creative endavours.

Ok. Such are my suggestions.

M :)

Montpellier, you're right - my comment wasn't appropriate. I've deleted it in case Saul is still reading this forum.