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Here my new Minuet.

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Hi Darren, I was researching a bit about minuet form and the structure you use it's the most common practice with A+BA' being each section 8bars. I wanted to try using that formula, because I tend to complicate my formulas and that's a very elegant and steady one.

So two times thanks for your feedback and for ilustrating that on your previous Minuets :). I was also looking on some minuet with trio from Haydn and Mozart and the trio section is nothing else but another minuet within the minuet, with some changes in texture and dynamics, but usually the material is very close to the one on the minuet section...We should try with a Minuet with trio next time 😉

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Hi Guillem. I found Nannerl and Mozart's Notenbuch online which has many minuets in the galant style. The form of the minuets in the book varies from the standard, for example some minuets stay in the same key throughout and some themes are 10 bars long. I can post a link if you want to look for yourself. Most keyboard minuets seem not to have trios except for a few ive found. Its definitely more challenging to compose the trio.

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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's called Rounded Binary form, most typically used during Baroque period. Early classic sonatas have also that form with repetition of A and BA' and usually the second section is longer than the first,because the A section, or at least a part of it,is included in the second one. During second half of XVIII century sonata changes to a ternary form Exposition-Development-Reexposition. 

Here an exemple: first movement is in that Rounded Binary form. The recapitulation is completely linked with the development without any interruption, coma or dominant pedal (that's quite interesting) and theme A is reduced in the reexposition. That's probably the shortest Allegro-Sonata 1st mov. I know, only 3:30 min long. 

 

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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's called Rounded Binary form, most typically used during Baroque period. Early classic sonatas have also that form with repetition of A and BA' and usually the second section is longer than the first,because the A section, or at least a part of it,is included in the second one. During second half of XVIII century sonata changes to a ternary form Exposition-Development-Reexposition. 

Thanks for clearing that up!  In terms of length the rounded binary then is almost looking like ternary itself since the repeated A section is equal in length to each of the repeats of the BA' (not quite but you know what I mean).

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Here an exemple: first movement is in that Rounded Binary form. The recapitulation is completely linked with the development without any interruption, coma or dominant pedal (that's quite interesting) and theme A is reduced in the reexposition. That's probably the shortest Allegro-Sonata 1st mov. I know, only 3:30 min long. 

Thanks for your example!  I only ever heard a handful of Haydn sonatas (and I've played the famous D major one:

I guess this one is more of a traditional sonata form where the themes are first stated in different keys, then developed, then both stated in the tonic key in the recapitulation.

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