FUTURE MUSIC

I have a question. How do you put a midi file in a posted message?

I have some music that I would like to show you, but I am not sure how to do this.

sincerely,

pagewizard

I have realized that physical ability is futile while ideas and concepts are eternal.

A fine concept, rendered irrelevant by the fact that ideas and concepts must be made reality through physical means (IE in music, performance). Knowledge of these physical means aids greatly in forming ideas and concepts in the first place (IE, knowing what double stops one can do on a violin and which ones one can't).

"I ended up beginning a life-time project... This next step, I have calculated, will take years...I hope that I can find someone reliable to pass it down to after I finish what I can with it."

Do you watch Star Trek? (very mild sarcasm)

"I have never created fully what I have visualized. I have only become closer at times. It is all by chance though. The guides are poor too. The key system is limited. No one knows why something works and why something else does not."

Please, this sounds very generic and vague. I'm sorry but I don't really get what you're trying to do. Could you please be more specific? Are you writing on staffs? Tonal or atonal? Tones or 1/4tones? Etc, etc. Or is this all up to the composer as long as he's being "original"? Could you please help us understand what exactly is the essence of this originality, and whence it can be procured? What efforts have you made towards this ideal? And above all, can we hear them? I'm sure your music will go a much longer way towards enlightening us than these vague slightly philosophical discussions. In these debates, it has already become obvious, everyone has a different idea about what everyone else is talking about....

I'm not sure if I would be any good at Led-Zeppelin type music.... After all, I haven't heard any of it (I will try to) but many, many, many people do classify it in that general punk-rock-etc. category...

Um, ask Stefan. He'll definitely help you.... I have no idea how either.... :-(

but the file has to be on the net somewhere else first

dang! the formula didn't come up, it made a funny square thing!

Go to the Gosh Darn thread in Help Wanted and Stefan has posted the formula there. Al, stop being sarcastic and mean, take others opinions as their opinions and respect them. Michelle would have wanted it.

I still need to know how to put a midi file in this discussion board. I also do not know what website I would have to put the file on in order for you to see it. I could use some help here if you know how to do it.

Alethea:

I already know that the music must be performed. I was only talking about musicians wasting their time because they think they can fully master an instrument. I already know what about everyone classifies Led Zeppelin as. They are all wrong and do not have enough information to make such a judgment. As far as my music goes, it does not sound like you would appreciate anything I would tell you in the first place.

PageWizard

Ash. I am seeing where you are coming from and believe me when I tell you- there is hope! :o) It has been a bit of a shame that possibly your initial message was confusingly worded, and the board did seem to go off on one. I respect you for sticking around. :o)

I know exactly what you mean by Led Zeppelin. How about Frank Zappa? Perhaps, maybe not. Roman Leykam and Frank Mark? Um.. if you're feeling affluent, splash out on a book called "The Ambient Century" by Mark Prendergast and basically the whole book is about music that I feel is not far from your own thinking.

And judging from that, you're not judgemental about if some music is labeled 'popular' or not which is great to see. If you've seen the post with the code you need to write in, then: you need to get yourself something like a yahoo geocities, or other free webspace thingy. Geocities is probably the best as... it's the only one I can think of at the moment. :o) Just post it there, and then you put in its web address- something like:

"http://www.geocities.com/ash'sfunkywebspacethingy/blockrockingbeats.mid"

and it'll work, promise. :o)

Jared. Half of the people you listed to my knowledge are either dead or on their way out... There is lots of ElectroAcoustic music being written now, and I'm sure that'll float your boat. And David, I don't think that he ever listed ol' Avro (wouldn't it be cool if he had an Afro?) as good/new/interesting music.

Reread my last message, David. You profoundly misinterpreted some things. I mentioned Arvo P

Firstly- I didn't mean just the "ElectroAcoustic Pop Music" - I meant comosers such as Giles Gobeil who kicks arse. And is young. And not dead. Jonty Harrison is also fairly well known, but he sucks a bit in my opinon. Diego Garro is up and coming and I very much like what I've heard, though I don't think he's too well known.

But anyway, the way you say "WON'T be my cup of tea" makes me slightly suspicious. Still I think you probably wouldn't like SOME of it, but I think you certainly would like some others. I'd be interested to know if you have heard it.- or simply what you think it's like...

Give it a listen... you might like it. Come on give in to the dark side of the force. Listen to a Glass symphony too.

Thanks David, you're the only person who has noticed the quote so far. I take it you're also an a great admirer of Shostakovich's music.

Trust me, Ash and Rach, I am not being sarcastic. Ash, it sounds as if you are very sincere about your music, and let me tell you (again) that I would definitely be interested in hearing your music. And as soon as I can I'll try and get some LZ from my friends. Which numbers did you recommend again?

Ah yes, I have dedicated much time to the works of Shostakovich over the past four years or so. So far, I have built a reasonable collection of CDs of his music, and am starting to collect scores. I think I have 7 of the symphonies, a concerto and a collection of Film/Ballet/etc works.

Some people think I am mad collecting more than one version of a work, but I am a total dedicatee of DS.

I went to see Moscva Cheryomuschki about a month ago -fantastic. But, unfortunately couldn't get to Lady MacBeth.

I see your MOTW is Piano Trio #2. Do you know the piano quartet?

I am still not sure how to put my midi file in here. Stefan, that website did not work. There was an error or something. I have no idea what to do. Perhaps you could help since I have an idea I would like to show all of you.

sincerely

PageWizard

why don't you upload it at the young composers extension site?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ycompose/files/

even I can't figure out how to post there.... I have a yahoo acount and everything...

Sorry if Ash and I are looking like complete non-computer-trained-people-who-are-by-definition-extremely-cool.

I want to be a computer scientist when I grow up, actually. Very lucrative.

No, I don't know the piano quartet. Just the trios. I'm trying to collect scores as well, but they're so expensive in this country. I got symphonies 10 and 12 in Germany last year and they were cheaper than the 1st cello concerto in this country and they are MUCH bigger. I've also ordered a dover score of symphonies 1&5 from amazon, that was about 6 weeks ago and I don't have it yet. I get the feelong its out of print. Its annoying me though, cos I want to do a dissertation on Shostakovich symphonies for school next year.

For a start Al, you have to join the group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ycompose/files/Musical%20Concepts/A%20Celebration.mid

Here is the link to one of my newest concepts. I hope you enjoy what I have created, and Please let me know what you think about it.

Sincerely,

PageWizard

Wow Ash, I really like it (I'm not being sarcastic). But, no offence, I'd hardly call that original. I've heard music like that in video games!

I have also listened to the MIDI and I have a few questions. What specifically are you attempting to accomplish that is revolutionary and innovative. I didn't hear anything harmonically or melodically that I haven't heard before. Tonally it was very clear-cut. This is not bad but its not what I had expected.

Psychologically the listener needs certain things. One is tension/release. I don't hear large-scale tension and release. It is also very static in form. It doesn't seem to go anywhere. As a listener you lost me after a few minutes. 13+ minutes of static music is a bit much.

I admire your philosophies toward the development of music in the future, but I think we part on a few issues on achieving our goals of composition.

I am glad you posted a MIDI. Your music was interesting to listen to.

So this is what you consider original and innovative, ash? This is more interesting and more original than all music by, say, beethoven, mozart, mahler, stravinsky, debussy or ravel?!

Ok, I shall try not to be too sarcastic again, but, with all respect, your music isnt any original or innovative, like christopher and justin already stated. It is just a simple pop song accompaniment, a simple chord progression repeated over and over again. nothing happens in your music: theres no change, no development of the material, not even a melody. And do you realize that it is completely based on concepts, traditions and techniques of the past? It is tonal, written in A major, its written in a regular 4/4 and its a fairly standard chord progression, to mention just a few traditional aspects of your music. It is NOT original at all and definitely not unlike any other music. You said you liked led zeppelin. I like some led zeppelin songs too (stairway to heaven is beautiful), but I wouldnt consider them the most innovative band in pop/rock music. I think the reason why you consider them so original and innovative is because you

i like

them so much. And I suspect you just dont like classical music and thats why you think all classical music sounds similar and unoriginal. In fact, I dont even think you know the music of the great classical composers very well. I can now see where youre coming from and I will try to stop being harsh on you. But next time please dont dismiss all music you dont like as uninteresting and unoriginal, especially if you dont even know the music very well, and, more importantly, dont try to justify such an irrational opinion with weak, illogical reasoning and vague theories about originality and innovation which make it seem more reasonable.

The melodic progression of the first three bars reminded me of part of "I did it my way".

That had to be a joke right???? Did I miss something or was it the same short phrase repeated over and over for 13 MINUTES!!!!! That is enough to drive someone insane!!!!! If your idea of original is boring people to new, previously unthinkable levels, then you've succeeded. Otherwise, if you truly believe in all the stuff you've posted, I think you should try again.