simple minuet

:sick::sick:

2MINUET.mid

Why the green smilies?? Don't you like the piece yourself?

Anyhow, very baroque or renaissance sounding. Not exactly my favourite kind of music, but I can see that it must take some effort and talent. One criticism - it might just be the MIDI playback (ie - lack of expression/dynamics) but to me the minuet sounded like just one long phrase. I had trouble telling when one theme was ending and another one beginning. Then again, that might be how you were intending to compose it.

Why the green smilies?? Don't you like the piece yourself?

Anyhow, very baroque or renaissance sounding. Not exactly my favourite kind of music, but I can see that it must take some effort and talent. One criticism - it might just be the MIDI playback (ie - lack of expression/dynamics) but to me the minuet sounded like just one long phrase. I had trouble telling when one theme was ending and another one beginning. Then again, that might be how you were intending to compose it.

hahah well i love smilies and often add one or two just for fun.

i like the piece but was somewhat unsure, so....

as the lack of expression you may blame midi :P but the melting phrases are my usual style. in fact i couldn't figure a better name, it is not a real minuet, i think.... maybe fantasy would fit?

thanks for writting, i appreciate your thoughts. regards!

Very nice, very mellow and enjoyable - as you say not really a minuet. The way the phrases melt into one another lends a certain perpetual motion feel to it. There is some expression - midi can do tempo changes and dynamics. At times I thought a third line, say a vocal or flute part was suggested - had you considered adding such a flowing part?

un buen ensayo de contrapunto y polifonia,esta bueno...felicidades...seria exelente si siguieras colocando aqui tus trabajos y aprender y disfrutar de ellos..espero puedas entender el espa

Very nice, very mellow and enjoyable - as you say not really a minuet. The way the phrases melt into one another lends a certain perpetual motion feel to it. There is some expression - midi can do tempo changes and dynamics. At times I thought a third line, say a vocal or flute part was suggested - had you considered adding such a flowing part?

thanks Euler!

i had terrible troubles when making this midi. the original file shows very subtle tempi changes, but converting it ruined everything and i wasn't able to fix them at all !:P as the dynamics i added very few marks as it is for harpsichord.

i'd love to hear some additional voice. if you had any idea give it a try.

regards!

un buen ensayo de contrapunto y polifonia,esta bueno...felicidades...seria exelente si siguieras colocando aqui tus trabajos y aprender y disfrutar de ellos..espero puedas entender el espa

i'd love to hear some additional voice. if you had any idea give it a try.

regards!

I tried adding a third part - I wanted a recorder but after adjusting the volumes in Finale for its midi library playback I found they were all different in the midi playback from my soundcard. Midi can be a real pain! So I switched to GPO harpsichord and flute and made an mp3.

The mp3 is here

Well, the balance is still not quite right nor is the phrasing. The mood is more of a lament than a minuet. It has some vague similarities to a John Dowland "Lachrimae" (tears). I let the harpsichord finish the piece without the flute.

Edit: I should have said that the notes of the original as recovered from the midi version were not altered, just some slight tempo changes and dynamics were added.

Comments?

I tried adding a third part - I wanted a recorder but after adjusting the volumes in Finale for its midi library playback I found they were all different in the midi playback from my soundcard. Midi can be a real pain! So I switched to GPO harpsichord and flute and made an mp3.

The mp3 is here

Well, the balance is still not quite right nor is the phrasing. The mood is more of a lament than a minuet. It has some vague similarities to a John Dowland "Lachrimae" (tears). I let the harpsichord finish the piece without the flute.

Edit: I should have said that the notes of the original as recovered from the midi version were not altered, just some slight tempo changes and dynamics were added.

Comments?

:w00t: wooooow Euler! i loved!!!!!! very poignant a line! really very nice! i just would like to do one or two minor edits to the harpsichord part in order to fit both parts to the best, so could you send me a midi with your add? AND i missed very much the lack of flute to the last section. i think we could finish it with the flute till the end. i think it will turn into a lovely piece after some few adjustments. regards!

:w00t: wooooow Euler! i loved!!!!!! very poignant a line! really very nice! i just would like to do one or two minor edits to the harpsichord part in order to fit both parts to the best, so could you send me a midi with your add? AND i missed very much the lack of flute to the last section. i think we could finish it with the flute till the end. i think it will turn into a lovely piece after some few adjustments. regards!

Glad you liked it. The character of the harpsichord changes just after where I stopped adding the flute so I thought that was a good spot to check how you found it so far.

The harpsichord part might benefit from a few adjustments but I didn't want to make changes as it was your piece.

In order to make a midi file that can be converted to and from Finale, the Human Playback features have to be removed - I think this is the plain midi file that can be converted back to notes that match your original midi file's harpsichord parts.

Glad you liked it. The character of the harpsichord changes just after where I stopped adding the flute so I thought that was a good spot to check how you found it so far.

The harpsichord part might benefit from a few adjustments but I didn't want to make changes as it was your piece.

In order to make a midi file that can be converted to and from Finale, the Human Playback features have to be removed - I think this is the plain midi file that can be converted back to notes that match your original midi file's harpsichord parts.

ok, i have added a new material and did some adjustments to the harpsichord. but you may work on this ad libitum even changing my original parts, and all the rest. just have fun ! :thumbsup:

2minuet-3d-plain2.mid

ok, i have added a new material and did some adjustments to the harpsichord. but you may work on this ad libitum even changing my original parts, and all the rest. just have fun ! :thumbsup:

I really like the changes you made which have smoothed out a few rough spots. Not much for me to do but add dynamics, phrasing, articulations and a few trills to the flute part :). I thought the steady tempo worked well so I just added a slight rit. at the end.

I'm pleased with the result. It seems a charming litle piece with an interesting texture created by the contrast between the flute and harpsichord which the GPO samples bring out well.

The new mp3 is here

:) great! nice idea of thrills! i just have to say that the very last one sounded a bit confusing :P anyway now this piece is done in my opinion. we might publish it in a new thread with another name.

and GPO really ROCKS! which program do you use with it?

:) great! nice idea of thrills! i just have to say that the very last one sounded a bit confusing :P anyway now this piece is done in my opinion. we might publish it in a new thread with another name.

and GPO really ROCKS! which program do you use with it?

A real flute player would probably just slow down the final trill for a smoother effect rather than how it sounds in the mp3. I'm using Finale 2008 which is not the easiest program to use but has a decent number of GPO samples included especially for classical composing.

The piece is now chamber music and could go in that forum as a "Duet for Flute and Harpsichord" - or do you have a better name?

A real flute player would probably just slow down the final trill for a smoother effect rather than how it sounds in the mp3. I'm using Finale 2008 which is not the easiest program to use but has a decent number of GPO samples included especially for classical composing.

The piece is now chamber music and could go in that forum as a "Duet for Flute and Harpsichord" - or do you have a better name?

oh Finale INCLUDES GPO samples? you mean that i don't need to get a separate library?

as the music i agree, duet etc seems nice. i just think that the first file you sent sounded better, with more volume. i have enhanced the sonority here and it is nice, but i wouldn't like to post it before you check it. how could we manage this? i might post it at soundclick and send you a link. if you find it ok, then i will create a thread here. i would like also to post it at my personal page, but i need your real name to give you due credits. may i?

oh Finale INCLUDES GPO samples? you mean that i don't need to get a separate library?

as the music i agree, duet etc seems nice. i just think that the first file you sent sounded better, with more volume. i have enhanced the sonority here and it is nice, but i wouldn't like to post it before you check it. how could we manage this? i might post it at soundclick and send you a link. if you find it ok, then i will create a thread here. i would like also to post it at my personal page, but i need your real name to give you due credits. may i?

Well, you can get Finale without GPO but I think you save money getting it with GPO. On the other hand, it isn't the full GPO so it depends on what you intend to do.

The volume was adjusted by me to be louder as the wav file created by Finale is way too soft. Finale won't create an mp3 so I did that with separate software. I think the piece is at least 75% yours so if you are happy go ahead and post it here and on your own page. My real name is on all my scores posted here so it is no big secret: Herb Wheeler.

I really enjoyed collaborating with you on this piece.

Well, you can get Finale without GPO but I think you save money getting it with GPO. On the other hand, it isn't the full GPO so it depends on what you intend to do.

The volume was adjusted by me to be louder as the wav file created by Finale is way too soft. Finale won't create an mp3 so I did that with separate software. I think the piece is at least 75% yours so if you are happy go ahead and post it here and on your own page. My real name is on all my scores posted here so it is no big secret: Herb Wheeler.

I really enjoyed collaborating with you on this piece.

ok, thanks Euler! tomorrow i'll post it here, now i am on my way to bed :sleeping: ....

yes i enjoyed too, when you have time to spare we might compose another piece. just let me know when. i am always ready to heheheheh

my best regards!

frantz,

Excuse my english please!

Id liked your piece, it clearly on barroque style wich is music that I love. I think a more italian barroque. (remained me Scarlatti)

Harmonicly and contrapuntually is in the style, But, (It only my opinion) if I wish to compose a barroque piece, i should paid atention especially to the phrases.

For example:

In the 15 second, I hear clearly the end of the first pharse, which is constructed on the V chord.

Some how I need a little space to breath.

Then, it can be said that in second 22 it hapens again. A little breath is needed.

So, structarly the first 55 sec its like A . In homophonic music you can say that an A or part of music its constructed because the development of phrases, each one built up with the development of the first motive. (the first 3 seconds of your piece)

So if i hear the first A, I can hear 2 big pharses. Then the A its repeated. The rest of the piece is less clearly structuraly.

On the other hand, if you are self tought then you have a gift i have to say.

The book of schoemberg: 'Fundamentals-Musical-Composition'

(which i havent finished) is the best book i found on these matter. (phrases)

I hope I ve helped you with my point of view.

Thanks frantz your your music!

Bruno

frantz,

Excuse my english please!

Id liked your piece, it clearly on barroque style wich is music that I love. I think a more italian barroque. (remained me Scarlatti)

Harmonicly and contrapuntually is in the style, But, (It only my opinion) if I wish to compose a barroque piece, i should paid atention especially to the phrases.

For example:

In the 15 second, I hear clearly the end of the first pharse, which is constructed on the V chord.

Some how I need a little space to breath.

Then, it can be said that in second 22 it hapens again. A little breath is needed.

So, structarly the first 55 sec its like A . In homophonic music you can say that an A or part of music its constructed because the development of phrases, each one built up with the development of the first motive. (the first 3 seconds of your piece)

So if i hear the first A, I can hear 2 big pharses. Then the A its repeated. The rest of the piece is less clearly structuraly.

On the other hand, if you are self tought then you have a gift i have to say.

The book of schoemberg: 'Fundamentals-Musical-Composition'

(which i havent finished) is the best book i found on these matter. (phrases)

I hope I ve helped you with my point of view.

Thanks frantz your your music!

Bruno

hi Bruno! thanks for your comment!

i understand your point of view but i have to disagree in some aspects. i just have to say that i don't want to compose baroque pieces. even if i wanted, that would be impossible for i live in the XXI century ;). anyway i don't care at all about similarities with historical periods. i agree that they do exist and i am proud of that, for i love ancient music, but my work is contemporary music, and the way of structuring and building a piece necessarily are different from olden ages.

we don't speak as spoke our ancestors, why would or should we compose precisely as they did? of course there is plenty of ancient musical elements still effective, just like there is plenty of words from the current languages of the XVIII century which still are used and understood. but the whole atmosphere is different and the phrasing and slang has changed a lot. hence my music is not baroque, but contemporary.

my regards!

Frantz,

Thanks for your comments!

I also think that we are i XXI century and its imposible to write music in an old paradigm. But, I meet people that thinks

that tonality is dead, and that we have to make music in another system. I dont know, for me its about systems of expresion:

when i need to be tonal , its ok, i need it, and when need to make another music , then i make it with other element.

Anyways, your music is beatyfull to me!

PD: GPO is better that east west samples? Sibelius better than finale? I use Sibelius with GPO, but i want better sounds..

Their exists?

Thanks!

Frantz,

Thanks for your comments!

I also think that we are i XXI century and its imposible to write music in an old paradigm. But, I meet people that thinks

that tonality is dead, and that we have to make music in another system. I dont know, for me its about systems of expresion:

when i need to be tonal , its ok, i need it, and when need to make another music , then i make it with other element.

Anyways, your music is beatyfull to me!

PD: GPO is better that east west samples? Sibelius better than finale? I use Sibelius with GPO, but i want better sounds..

Their exists?

Thanks!

hi Bruno!

i think you are totally right; freedom of expression is one of the best achievements of contemporary age and we can and may use any system we need at each moment. why narrowing our panorama into a single set of elements if we can deal with such diversity we see today? the greatest proof that tonality is NOT dead is pop music: the biggest group of people in the western world live just with tonality and avoid entirely non-tonal systems, which are just a drop in the ocean of western music. the greatest glories of our music were done within tonality and are fully effective in modern days being heard by millions every day always with the utmost pleasure, and very few modern pieces can equal them. why? either all the geniuses have dead long ago and no one lived recently or the modern systems themselves are NOT that good :D

as the programs i am afraid that i can't offer an opinion. i use a very simple and old-fashioned program (Encore) for writting music, but if you already use GPO i think you have the best samples. at least i haven't heard anything better than GPO-rendered pieces.

my regards!

by the way, if you like my style go to my soundclick personal webpage (look at my signature for the link) where you'll be able to find plenty of other compositions - some good, other not-so-good heheheh.

thanks!

But, I meet people that thinks

that tonality is dead, and that we have to make music in another system.

I always laugh in my mind at people who says this. Actually, I think they are extremely delusional and wonder what world they're living in. Where I live, in any context where music is called for (movie, radio, church, theatre, man whistling) I can hardly escape hearing tonal music.

Only in 'serious music' circles is the idea of tonality being dead entertained while ironically much of the most beloved and enduring art music is written in exactly that system. Since I'm immersed in a musical culture that is primarily tonal when I decide to write solo piano music I don't imagine that I have to adopt an arcane system to do so.

However, I suppose that it would be very difficult for people who have studied composition for many years to do anything but adopt the arcane. What then would the purpose of all that study? Therefore, I suppose that tonality is dead for them as the primary means of expression but certainly not dead to the world in general.

*shrug*

I'm pretty much with frantz on this issue. Tonality is a musical language that is understood by millions who enjoy music in that language on a daily basis. Maybe some of us are conservative and want to stick with that, no problem there. ;-)

What then would the purpose of all that study?

:wacko: precisely! maybe it's like those attempts to create languages just for fun, like as Klingon - do you know that even the Bible was translated into Klingon? :D but to impose them as the new sacred rule is too much for me as well......

Yesterday i was thinking about this.. again! I was thinking that assuming tonality is dead is like to say that quantum physics made classic physic obsolete. We need both to better understand the word. But you see fanatics once in a while...

:wacko:

Yesterday i was thinking about this.. again! I was thinking that assuming tonality is dead is like to say that quantum physics made classic physic obsolete. We need both to better understand the word. But you see fanatics once in a while...

yeah, since non-tonal systems are a reality as well, any endeavour to understand them is not a futile effort, although i prefer to keep myself somewhat distant from extreme dissonant styles, they make me feel nervous :wacko: and even depressed...............:sleeping: