Microtonal mock-ups?

Does anyone know any program(s) that are good for this? I've spent the better part of the last two hours trying to find a way to do this in Nuendo. I've found pretty much nothing. I didn't think it would be so hard to find a piano roll that allows quarter tones or something of that nature. I would imagine this could be done, in some way, with programs like Csound, Scala, or Max/MSP. But, I would like to use a DAW because it gives me a lot of mixing options and lets me incorporate a lot of non-synthesizer stuff, like audio loops or recorded instruments.

In the off chance that anyone could point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.

Use the pitch bend.

I believe Sibelius lets you use quarter tones.

Use the pitch bend.

That's fine for monophonic instruments but wouldn't work for polyphonic instruments since it would bend every voice at once.

I believe Sibelius lets you use quarter tones.

Probably, but that would only help if I'm doing everything in Sibelius. Not exactly the kind of environment I want to mix in or even mess around with VSTi's in.

Maybe I should clarify my intent. This isn't a function I'm looking for purely for mock-ups, I just figured that is what most people here would use it for and would get their attention. I actually want to write electronic music too, mixing together samples, VSTi's, recorded parts, etc.

That's fine for monophonic instruments but wouldn't work for polyphonic instruments since it would bend every voice at once.

Use more than one instance of the instrument. If you are just doing quarter tones, then have one instance be normal and one tuned a quarter tone sharp. If you are doing more creative microtonal stuff it could get more complicated, but should still be possible.

Also.. some vsti let you do microtonal stuff using this.

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yo,

i'd say you're barking up the right tree if you get a DAW you like. "metro" is what i've used to make tons of microtonal mockups. My friend Dan uses Logic, which works if you are using 12 or less tones per octave.

i run midi sequences out of metro, to Scala, which retunes the midi (using all 16 channels) of whatever synthesizer (soft or hard). the annoying thing is trying to work with mulitple timbres - usually i record the audio from one timbre & then add on top of it.

Li'l Miss Scale Oven (nonoctave.com - Tuning Software for the Mac) is a (non-free) alternative to Scala that works with more synthesizers & has all sorts of neat features - tuning to multiple scales at once, for example.

An alternative to live-retuning midi signals is having a synthesizer that lets you set it to alternative tunings, e.g. the Emu Proteus I have.

None of these options give you a microtonal piano roll. Blue, a Csound environment, has a microtonal piano roll that I've never gotten to work. I've gotten pretty good at just using my ear and learning "scordatura" perspectives on normal keyboards (e.g. if the keyboard is tuned to 31-equal, the octave looks like 2 octaves + a fifth).

Hope this helps : )