How to notate bowings on single note?

If I have a whole note that starts as an up-bow and changes to a down-bow halfway through, how would you notate it, and what would be the best way to do it in Sibelius?

Thomas

You want your bowing to change halfway through a whole note?

I would simply notate it as two half notes, the first tied to the second, and use the up and down bowing symbols to indicate how this is to be performed.

-AA

You want your bowing to change halfway through a whole note?

I would simply notate it as two half notes, the first tied to the second, and use the up and down bowing symbols to indicate how this is to be performed.

-AA

That's what I would do. Or if your whole note is an very long duration requiring a switch in bowing direction, don't worry about it. Let the performer deal with it and notate the next bowing you want on the next note. Sorry, can't help with Sibelius.

AntiA is right. In changing the direction, there is a moment when the bow is stationary (yay calculus!) so 2 notes with up and down bow markings would be best. I'm not so sure about the tie though. That would indicate one continuous note when they must be 2 distinct ones, however minimal the attack of the second. Also it might be read as a slur, meaning the 2 notes should be in the same bow, all sorts of confusions!

Out of interest, is this for solo instrument or a section?

AntiA: I'm really not sure, that's the way it would be done.

DJ Fatuus: It's for a section

From a string player:

You can do it the way AntiA suggested. Though it could (unlikely) produce a moment of "why'd he do that?" because for string instruments ties and slurs almost always are a direction for bowings, though they can indicate phrasing. However, they'll get over it quickly.

Another way of doing it is to just have the wholenote and put for instance a downbow mark at the begining, and in the middle of the measure an upbow marking. This is common, especially when there is a very long held note that is tied (an example of when slurring is more phrasing, than bowing.) And actually, if you do what AntiA suggested secondly, mark the following measure, most of the players would mark thebowing this way themselves.

Another solution, if the point it two have the note following the long note to start on a particular bow, is to adjust a measure before the wholenote (using a slur or some other marking) so that going into the long note, no change is needed. Assuming here that this isn't a slow piece and a bow change isn't needed.

Though I assume the reason you want the wholenote is to avoid the second attack from two separate halfnotes and produce one continuous note. It is kind of hard to know for sure without knowing the context in which this occurs, and your reason for wanting a bow change in the first place.

Another way of doing it is to just have the wholenote and put for instance a downbow mark at the begining, and in the middle of the measure an upbow marking.

I actually found this method in Adlers book yesterday, and that's what I'm looking for. But how do you do it in Sibelius?

I don't have the foggiest. (I use finale.) But I'm sure there is an articulation tool somewhere, and there is always the manual.