PeterthePapercomPoser Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Besides the famous example of Wagner's Tristan and Isolde Prelude which never resolves to the tonic (and people are still arguing about what key it's actually in), do you know any songs or pieces that delay resolving to or never resolve to the tonic? Pop songs are okay too! And in fact, my first example is a pop song: Kendrick Lamar's "All the Stars" featuring Sza. The chords are as follows in Eb major: IV ii IV ii vi iii vi V I love how this track is orchestrated though. The smooth and luscious string voicings are chef's kiss 😘. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Ng Tsz Kiu Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Yo Peter, In fact one example I can think is a piece I hopefully will pick up again in the future. It’s the fourth and final of my Music In the Dark which is a set of four piano pieces based on Chinese poet Li Shangyin’s poem Grand Zither. I did write something on it and I will have the whole final piece in C# minor but never on it, which means that in every cadence there won’t be any i chord,and it will end on a V at the end. 7 hours ago, PeterthePapercomPoser said: pieces that delay resolving to or never resolve to the tonic? For this, Beethoven did delay resolving the tonic in the first movement of his op.101. The tonic chord never appears in a cadence until at the very end. The recording below is again played by lovely Levit: The slow movement in Bee’s op.132 is interesting since he pretends using the Lydian mode but in fact the piece for me is entirely in C major, only at the end he pretends it’s in F Lydian LoL! Henry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterthePapercomPoser Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 I found another song that never hits the tonic (probably one among many on this album - one of my favorite albums of all time by Twenty-One Pilots "Blurryface" that I can easily listen to from beginning to end even though their songs are mostly just 4-chord patterns repeated throughout the whole song just like this one: Hometown). The chords are as follows: V ii IV vi (in F major) and this 4-chord pattern repeats throughout the whole song and despite that - there's still a lot of contrast created by many different elements of the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Ng Tsz Kiu Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 minutes ago, PeterthePapercomPoser said: even though their songs are mostly just 4-chord patterns repeated throughout the whole song Just like this "famous" guy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 If I remember, the first movement of Beethoven's 4th Symphony doesn't get to the tonic until somewhere around bar 34. (I've mislaid the score so I can't check but it is my favourite of his symphonies.) .Other than that some of Peter Mennin's symphonic work defies tonic thanks to his use of the Locrian mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterthePapercomPoser Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 11 hours ago, Quinn said: Other than that some of Peter Mennin's symphonic work defies tonic thanks to his use of the Locrian mode. Which symphony of his would you recommend? I listened to his Symphony no. 3 and didn't hear much locrian nor avoidance of the tonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It's some time since I spent time with his symphonies unfortunately only on record, but if I recall it was either his 5th or 6th. Probably the "Grave", 2nd movement of the 6th, IIRC, that seemed to avoid resolution wherever it could. I have the study score for this (long out of print) and seemed to remember aided by hints in programme notes somewhere his use of this mode. I may be wrong though. I'll try to find time to check. The problems is, so far as formal structure goes, I get seriously influenced by his work. The movement mentioned was the inspiration for that locrian symphony I wrote - at least some of it was submitted here. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Ng Tsz Kiu Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Finally remember one! How can I forget this?! : The opening lied is in F sharp minor but never have one tonic chord on it!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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