two questions about solo violin in Sibelius 8 notation software

I'm jotting down some ideas for a future violin sonata, though the real work will only be started after I acquire basic knowledge of violin playing. I encountered two problems:

1. Why is the red warning sign activated when I typed in #G6 and A6 on the solo violin staff? They are well in the range of the instrument

2. Why does the violin sound non-legato even when I have added slurs? Is playing technique markings required?

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

1. Why is the red warning sign activated when I typed in #G6 and A6 on the solo violin staff? They are well in the range of the instrument

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What program are you using?  In Musescore I know there are some errors in range limits - like for the French Horn, the F on the top line in treble clef (in a transposed part) is already considered out of range.  That would be correct if it was a part in concert pitch though.

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

2. Why does the violin sound non-legato even when I have added slurs? Is playing technique markings required?

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In Musescore the addition of slurs is only for display in the score and as far as I know don't actually affect the playback.  But if your durations are long enough the notes should sound connected (but I don't know what program you're using).

LoL I just saw that you said Sibelius 8!  Perhaps @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu or @Thatguy v2.0 can help?

Also.. are you using noteperformer?  Or the standard Sibelius sounds?

  On 2/25/2024 at 9:04 PM, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

Perhaps @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu or @Thatguy v2.0 can help?

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LoL I can help since I am the sufferer of Sibelius crappy sound too!

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

1. Why is the red warning sign activated when I typed in #G6 and A6 on the solo violin staff? They are well in the range of the instrument

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It happens esp. for the high register when they are playable but the program thinks it's unplayable. I think it happens even for a piano.

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

2. Why does the violin sound non-legato even when I have added slurs? Is playing technique markings required?

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The sound does change a bit to be more legato once you add slurs, but since the Sibelius sound is so crappy that you won't feel the difference LoL!

Henry

  On 2/25/2024 at 9:04 PM, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

LoL I just saw that you said Sibelius 8!  Perhaps @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu or @Thatguy v2.0 can help?

Also.. are you using noteperformer?  Or the standard Sibelius sounds?

 

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I’m using sib6 sound package……

  On 2/26/2024 at 4:00 AM, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

It happens esp. for the high register when they are playable but the program thinks it's unplayable. I think it happens even for a piano.

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I recall that one can manually re-program it and change the prerequisite of triggering the range warning. But that is a bit complicated and I don’t care much about it now since I’m just sketching some ideas.

  On 2/26/2024 at 4:00 AM, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

The sound does change a bit to be more legato once you add slurs, but since the Sibelius sound is so crappy that you won't feel the difference LoL!

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This is so miserable. Maybe I should try it out on MuseScore 4

  On 2/27/2024 at 2:43 AM, hyperaticism said:

I recall that one can manually re-program it and change the prerequisite of triggering the range warning. But that is a bit complicated and I don’t care much about it now since I’m just sketching some ideas.

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Yeah I never care for them either since I know the real range.

  On 2/27/2024 at 2:43 AM, hyperaticism said:

This is so miserable. Maybe I should try it out on MuseScore 4

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Yeah its sound is much better! 

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

1. Why is the red warning sign activated when I typed in #G6 and A6 on the solo violin staff? They are well in the range of the instrument

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I think it's just letting you know "something" is up with the note, not that it's unplayable. Sometimes it's playable but more difficult, or it's outside the normal range but playable with for instance a C extension on a bass...I'm sure there are a myriad of reasons. It's a different color red (for me it's lighter and brighter) when it's actually unplayable.

  On 2/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, hyperaticism said:

2. Why does the violin sound non-legato even when I have added slurs? Is playing technique markings required?

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Could be the default playback, I don't have that issue. Have you looked into Noteperformer? It's a relatively cheap alternative to better sound samples, and it's integrated with Sibelius, so you can do all of your mixing and everything in the software rather than export it to a DAW. Sometimes playback is buggy on a note here and there, but rendered mp3's are fine. 

  On 2/27/2024 at 9:43 PM, Thatguy v2.0 said:

Could be the default playback, I don't have that issue. Have you looked into Noteperformer? It's a relatively cheap alternative to better sound samples, and it's integrated with Sibelius, so you can do all of your mixing and everything in the software rather than export it to a DAW. Sometimes playback is buggy on a note here and there, but rendered mp3's are fine. 

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I know about it but haven't checked it out. I want to have a try on MuseScore first.

  On 2/27/2024 at 9:38 AM, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

Yeah its sound is much better! 

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I tried, it really is, sounds really legato

  On 2/27/2024 at 9:38 AM, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

Yeah its sound is much better! 

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Henry, how can I create a triplet in five 16th note of time? It is illegal to specify 5:3 or 3:5 when 5 16th notes are chosen.

  On 3/10/2024 at 6:13 AM, hyperaticism said:

Henry, how can I create a triplet in five 16th note of time? It is illegal to specify 5:3 or 3:5 when 5 16th notes are chosen.

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I don't know haha since I have never used that before!

Henry

  On 3/10/2024 at 7:43 AM, Henry Ng Tsz Kiu said:

I don't know haha since I have never used that before!

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Sibelius can do it😭

  On 3/10/2024 at 7:44 AM, hyperaticism said:

Sibelius can do it😭

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Wait.. are you trying this in Sibelius or Musescore?

  On 3/10/2024 at 7:49 AM, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

Wait.. are you trying this in Sibelius or Musescore?

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MuseScore. I'm trying to recreating the stuff written on Sib on MS.

So you're trying to make a triplet in the space of 5 8th notes?  If you can get the program to display a whole measure rest .. then select that rest and press ctrl-3 it should work.

  On 3/10/2024 at 7:55 AM, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

So you're trying to make a triplet in the space of 5 8th notes?  If you can get the program to display a whole measure rest .. then select that rest and press ctrl-3 it should work.

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no, it's 16th note. and if I add them up it would be a 4th and a 16th, which means the two stops will be divided separately according to the working logic of MS. Like this

You should be able to join rests together if you select them and hit delete.. then, once there is a single rest for the duration of time you want you select the rest and hit ctrl-3.  If that doesn't work I would isolate the rest within its own measure by changing the time signature (presumably to 5/16) then editing the way notes and rests are displayed in that meter so that there will be a single rest for the duration you want.  I hope that helps!

  On 3/10/2024 at 8:11 AM, PeterthePapercomPoser said:

If that doesn't work I would isolate the rest within its own measure by changing the time signature (presumably to 5/16) then editing the way notes and rests are displayed in that meter so that there will be a single rest for the duration you want.

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Yeah, you are right. This work-around is valid. Its really annoying that they won't allow this in normal, since I really enjoyed cross-rhythms by juxtaposing peculiar tuplets with normal notes. That rubato-like floating sense is so enticing. I can not imagine 5:7 in triple or quartal meter, though😂

I used to show my old compositions to a roommate, and he asked me why I'm in love with triplets so much