an action adventure piece

hello there. I'm new to forums here. I wrote this piece of music today. Let me know what you think :)

http://www.lyndonholland.com/music/Zack%20and%20I.mp3

I think its great

:)

hello there. I'm new to forums here. I wrote this piece of music today. Let me know what you think :)

http://www.lyndonholland.com/music/Zack%20and%20I.mp3

Forceful and misterious horns in the intro.

Overall, heavy exciting Brass and rythms!

Beautiful soft part.

A winner!

Fredrik

This is a really great piece...Sounds like movie music...

Two thumbs up...:unsure:

Thanks for the compliments :thumbsup:

Any advice of how it can be improved?

i really like the start good orceshtration. i think you have really memorable themes, which is always important in film music. You have good energy in the strings instead of the easily long notes often used by composers on this website.

Sounds very 'Pirates of the Carribean' i guess you was influenced by this type of music. Good work a defaitne winner

Wow, this is a really really great piece!

I like how you've ended with the same mood as the beginning, with the melancholy atmosphere as opposed to the really adventurous and grand middle section.

Nice use of dissonance to add tension! As everyone else has said, this piece would be awesome as film music. I like the fact that you haven't been afraid to use repetition, which has really helped alot in this piece here. Timbral contrast in the melody is also a great idea ;)

I know you wanted suggestions for improvement...but really, this is really awesome as it is. I wish I could write like you! >w<

Fantastic. It could literally be out of a film. Out of interest, what software did you use to make it?

Well. Nothing Special,

but not bad at all, the libary (is that GPO) sucks a lot... With a better Lib it would be sound more nice!

But you didn't use something own, there is Hans Zimmer here, John Williams there,... not you... you know what i mean?

It is not bad to compose in styles but its better to go your own way, otherwise there is no chance for you in the filmindustry, its a very hard busyness!

FL

Well. Nothing Special,

but not bad at all, the libary (is that GPO) sucks a lot... With a better Lib it would be sound more nice!

But you didn't use something own, there is Hans Zimmer here, John Williams there,... not you... you know what i mean?

It is not bad to compose in styles but its better to go your own way, otherwise there is no chance for you in the filmindustry, its a very hard busyness!

FL

Yea, I agree, it sounds like John Williams, and Hans Zimmer wrote this together. This piece could DEFINETLY be in a movie. I LOVE the beginning though, I thought this was an admazing use of horns. It reminds me of a piece, I'm not particularly sure where I've heard it from. I really like the cresendos in the beginning of the piece, they add a lot to the total atmosphere I think you are trying to accomplish.

Again however, try to come up with your own style. The problem with this is that while this ultimatley be your style without someones outside influence, John Williams has already laid his name to this style, therefore when you compose with this style, people will automatically assume its John Willaims, or a rip-off of him. I hope this makes sense without being offensive.

lol. Thanks for your comments guys.

But to be honest I don't think you really understand how it works. You don't just magically come up with your own style. It's a combination of taking in other styles and making it your own. Nothing is completely 'original' so to speak.

I've only just turned 20 and am still learning new things, but I don't agree that you have to come up with a completely new style in order to make it in the film music buisness. Most film directors couldn't give a crap as long as it sounds good and works with the picture. This is actually where a lot of composers fail in my mind. Film music is music not to be listened to on its own, but to support the picture. If that means using clich

Well... Than its not good produced.

Sam Brass are very fine at all! VSL also, i can produce with them and i forsure that my sound would be much more realistic than yours. Well at least work on the Audioproduction at all. Not the composition was bad, but the audio, it just sounded like MIDI,

Don't get that wrong i just want to help ya :whistling: don't take anythink personal.

But trust me, i know how to produce a good orchestral Sound on PC ;) any questions just ask :)

ok, how could I improve the quality of the piece in terms of production?

ok, how could I improve the quality of the piece in terms of production?

Don't change anything, I think the sound is perfect the way it is!

Like a winning football team, they change a player and suddenly they start to loose...he he!

Fredrik

Very good for movie music.

I agree with the lack of originality, but if you are able already to write the cliche version well, you have a solid understanding of the outline of how it works. Now from that, you can tweak it and experiment later. I would move on from this one, just keep experimenting each time, don't let the "it should sound like this now" guide you too much, because maybe it would actually be better another way. Great work.

--violinboy, do you seriously think writing music with long notes is easy or devoid of energy? I don't claim to be able to do it yet, but there's such a thing as emotional depth and energy, and long note pieces are very difficult to do well. To trivialize the attempt of it, as if it were a crutch, is a low blow.

Very good for movie music.

--violinboy, do you seriously think writing music with long notes is easy or devoid of energy? I don't claim to be able to do it yet, but there's such a thing as emotional depth and energy, and long note pieces are very difficult to do well. To trivialize the attempt of it, as if it were a crutch, is a low blow.

Ermmm, I play violin, and throughout my experience, the long notes are the hardest. To find the EXACT percise emotion that you want to give out, and using the correct type of bowing and virbrato is very hard. To play the violin for sound is easy, just requires practice, to play the violin for music, it requires skill. I LOVE slow songs, for this pure reason, slow songs provide me an opportunity to express music.

the long notes in the beginning are fantastic, and incredibly admazing. Such simplicity, yet so deep.

Well Lyndon,

learn how to use VSL and SAM Brass right. Its not from one day to another, keep composing with it and it will maybe getting better with the time.

Maybe. But learn how an Orchestra is Build, wich instruments are panned etc. build a "virtual" room for the virtual orchestra, allthrew you need an good reverb who make things much better :whistling: as they sound rough you know.

Your Piece is rough produced, i garantee no productioncompany would take for a film in that case, not while the piece is bad, the production. And they have high intensions of there composers. If i listen to that sound in a cinema in the future i would never buy that soundtrack.

Please, don't get that wrong, but if you learn how hard that biz is, you learn to understand my criticpoints :P

FL

PS: Try at first to use an stringorchestra right, and then begin with time to get more instruments in it, so you learn pannig etc.

Ok I whilst, you haven't told me anything, but where I have gone wrong and not how to fix it, I see what you're saying. I think major problem is that the samples are recorded close miced, soany reverb won't sound as good as recorded in an actual Concert hall. I am going to be buying Quantum Leap Gold XP symphone library soon, which is recorded in a concert hall. I've heard the demo, songs and they are a lot better in my opinon. The samples I have now, while still good, remind me of the sort of sound you get from the Metal gear solid 2 soundtrack. It sounds good, but doesn't actually sound completely real.

Hey Lyndon,

its difficult to tell you how to fix, i just have VSL and i mix it perfectly with EW Gold, i recommend EW! Its a good Choice,

listen to that: www.impressive-music-production.de/Gluehwuermchen_160k.mp3 its a mix with EW Gold and VSL (Clarinets, Celesta, Harp)

So you can see that you would not expect that the clarinet is not from EW! I mixed everything with an great reverb (called True Verb).

FL

WOW! I'm nothing of a music critic, but that was really cool! I loved the movement in the middle section. The orchestration was excellent, and the use of the brass throughout was amazazing!

is there any chance you can post the score? I'd love to see it if you don't mind.