Zwiebelmeister Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I intended to post this in the "Composer Depot" forum, but that one is read-only, and the Mozart and Rachmaninov sub-fora won't work, but here goes: I think there should also be forums for the following composers: Leonin Perotin Guillaume de Machaut Gilles Binchois Guillaume Dufay John Dunstable Johannes Ockeghem Martin Praetorius Heinrich Schütz Claudio Monteverdi Giovanni Palestrina Orlando di Lasso Georg Frideric Handel Johann Sebastian Bach Joseph Haydn Carl Maria von Weber Gioacchino Rossini Franz Schubert Robert Schumann Franz Liszt Antonin Dvorak Giuseppe Verdi Anton Bruckner Gustav Mahler Carl Nielsen Igor Stravinsky Sergej Prokofiev Aram Khachaturian Erik Satie Claude Debussy Maurice Ravel Charles Koechlin Dmitri Shostakovich Paul Hindemith Arthur Honegger Francis Poulenc Darius Milhaud Edgard Varèse Olivier Messiaen Bernd Alois Zimmermann Gy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Lee Graham Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 What an amazing list! I don't think you left anyone out! Oh...you should have CPE Bach in there. He was the most talented of the Bach sons, and a real rabble-rouser. ...having dedicated sub-fora for certain more (Beethoven) or less (Rachmaninov) talented composers looks rather silly to me. This is subjective, surely. Rachmaninov's "Vespers" alone makes him as worthy of a place on the list as half the other guys you have there. It's the crowning glory of Russian Orthodox liturgical music, and no one before or since has written anything better - not even Bortniansky (whom I greatly respect) or Tchaikovsky. I can't even bear to listen to it sometimes, it's so indescribably beautiful and deathlessly great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopin Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Once I think of more, I'll add them... Seriously, why a sub-forum for Rachmaninov? There are dozens of composers more important and more competent (and more deserving of a dedicated sub-forum) than him. I like the idea of the "Composer Depot" itself, but having dedicated sub-fora for certain more (Beethoven) or less (Rachmaninov) talented composers looks rather silly to me. Ok, I was doing some thinking. This category of "composers" would be to hard to upkeep. I mean, there are just way to many composers, and I have a feeling there would be many blank topics. I am thinking about changing this category to just plain old "repertoire" to narrow down the subcategories big time. There would be hundreds of subforums and this is going to look pretty messy. Sometimes I have to lay out things in order to see if it will work, or not work...and I see that this category isn't going to work. But don't worry. I will keep the same idea, just it will be alot less messier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I want one more category: chamber music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 This recategorisation is an experiment to see if we can increase the post rate even more. While it runs the risk of further fragmenting posts, devoting subforums to more specific topics may prompt people to come up with new ideas and start more discussions. If it doesn't go well, we'll go back to how it was before. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisa Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by J. Lee Graham@Jul 20 2005, 05:31 PMThis is subjective, surely. Rachmaninov's "Vespers" alone makes him as worthy of a place on the list as half the other guys you have there. I've just suddenly remembered hearing an exquisite performance of those a couple years back in Vancouver. Must go track down who performed it...* goes hunting on Google * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I want no categories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anders Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I guess you should go back to the way it was before, no one seems to use these forums! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cavatina Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 You seem to be forgetting some of the mighty Opera composers... Puccini Bellini Saint-Saens Offenbach Delibes Leoncavallo Strauss (R and J for that matter) Wagner Massenet Gluck Ponchielli Giordano Donizetti ...who am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Lee Graham Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 ...who am I missing? These come to mind: Gioacchino Rossini (oh my GAWD...how could anyone leave him off? At least as good as Donizetti in the early 19th Century Italian School) Luigi Cherubini (pathetically underappreciated) Domenico Cimarosa (ditto) At this juncture, I need to inject some humour: Rossini, in addition to being a great composer, was also a gourmet chef and a gourmand (a person who loves to eat), as well as being a very funny/witty man. Here are some quotes attributed to Rossini: "In my whole adult life, I have only wept twice: once when I heard Paganini play the violin, and again when I saw a truffled turkey fall into the water a boating party." "You know, this fellow Wagner has some wonderful moments, but some incredibly dull quarters of an hour." (Rossini lived long enough to hear some of Wanger's operas, and many of us echo his sentiments) Trivia: Rossini (in his capacity as gourmet chef) is reputed to have created the classic dish "Tournedos Rossini" (tenderloin of beef with truffles and pate de foie gras on toast rounds...it's delicious). Another humourous quote, this time from Donizetti about Rossini: When told that Rossini had written an entire opera in 10 days, Donizetti replied dryly: "That bastard Rossini always was a lazy son of a scallop." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cavatina Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Originally posted by J. Lee Graham@Aug 5 2005, 03:17 AMThese come to mind: Gioacchino Rossini (oh my GAWD...how could anyone leave him off? At least as good as Donizetti in the early 19th Century Italian School) Luigi Cherubini (pathetically underappreciated) Domenico Cimarosa (ditto) "You know, this fellow Wagner has some wonderful moments, but some incredibly dull quarters of an hour." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matusleo Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Harrison Birtwistle? sure, 'The Triumph of Time' is okay, but... Here's a few composers that I have been particularly fond of whose absence from your list has filled me with shock and dismay! Ernst von Dohnányi (my favorite) Kaikhosru Sorabji Robert Simpson Havergal Brian John Corigliano Lowell Liebermann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Lee Graham Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Welcome, Matusleo. I wasn't overlooking Rossini, he's actually on the original list Sorry Jonathan! :o Mea maxima culpa! Another anecdote about Rossini - one that probably gave rise to his reputation for laziness (relatively speaking): Rossini used to compose in bed a lot. He'd just sit there in bed for days and compose. Once, when a page he was writing on fell off the bed onto the floor, he sighed, looked down at it, shrugged his shoulders, and started over from scratch on a new sheet rather than expend the energy to pick it up off the floor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cavatina Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Originally posted by J. Lee Graham@Aug 5 2005, 03:47 PMRossini used to compose in bed a lot. He'd just sit there in bed for days and compose. Once, when a page he was writing on fell off the bed onto the floor, he sighed, looked down at it, shrugged his shoulders, and started over from scratch on a new sheet rather than expend the energy to pick it up off the floor! Reminds me of a quote from the TV cartoon family guy: "I'd be apathetic if I wasn't so lethargic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matusleo Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Originally posted by J. Lee Graham@Aug 5 2005, 05:47 PMRossini used to compose in bed a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Lee Graham Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Oh dear! That's funny...yet sad at the same time. If it's true, it shows that Rossini could be a jackass to a fellow musician like Mozart could...and apparently quite a few others. I hate to hear that, because it lowers him in my estimation. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: genius does not give anyone carte blanche to be cruel or unkind. Very unbecoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humnab Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 I don't see why not... There's also the anecdote of Verdi needing to lock up his librettist, Temistocle Solera, in a room to get him to finish the bloody words. One time, Solera discovered he had been locked in the room containing Verdi's wine cellar. I like to imagine Verdi opening the door later to get his libretto and going: 'Oops'. Aside from that, the lists have forgetten Biber, Berlioz, Britten, Orff (who believe it or not wrote things OTHER than that bloody Carmina Burana), and, of all people, Purcell. Fie on you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitipo Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Nice list here, but.... :o :) Just where exactly is Jean Sibelius? Seriously now, people, I just stumbled upon this awesome forum and am frightened by the lack of love for (or perhaps interest in?) the great Finnish composer. I listen to more of Sibelius' works than any other composer on that list--including the "masters"--and i've collected the scores of most of his tone poems and symphonies (which are all fantastic and highly original, but also approachable). Imho, the emotion and organic logic one hears in a single sibelius symphony (No. 7 :excl: ) blows the works of most other composers out of the water. :) All right I've finished my rant, carry on. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad dream eyes Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 I'll support that RANT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Late Romantic composers seem to get ignored because their works are just too big for many people's attention spans. Until recently, I seemed to be the only Brahms aficionado around here. Also, Borodin is criminally neglected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitipo Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 True, I can understand that being the case with most other late-romantic composers. Sibelius, however, should be something of an exception. Compared to Mahler, Sibelius' orchestra is tiny and his symphonies rarely exceed a forty-five minutes in length (most average about thirty minutes total, and his tone poems half even of that). Ah well. Either way I always classified Sibelius as a "modern" composer rather than late-romantic, though many will argue about this. In addition to practically creating Finland's musical voice, he helped expand the concept of the symphony and the organic development of (often highly condensed) themes. I'd say he's had more of an influence on my composing than more contemporary composers such as Stravinsky, Shostakovich, or Glass/Adams. Of course, it could just be the Finnish blood in me. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaltechViolist Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Interesting... I will give Sibelius credit for what he did with the symphonic form, but I always considered Brahms to be the first great master of organic development of themes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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