[Discussion] Jazz: History, Styles and Artists

Soon... Modal. Maybe even tonight sometime.

Cool :D

Maybe to make this more interesting would could apply what we've learned and those of us who can could make videos and post them perhaps?

just a thought ;)

Maybe to make this more interesting would could apply what we've learned and those of us who can could make videos and post them perhaps?

just a thought :P

A cool idea - are you talking about learning improvisation and applying theoretic knowledge to it? OR, just incorporating stylistic approaches to you playing? Would you prefer a new thread for theory or theory related questons? I've been meaning to start one - a basic primer for jazz theory.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in hearing some of you guys play, or tunes you're writing!

A cool idea - are you talking about learning improvisation and applying theoretic knowledge to it? OR, just incorporating stylistic approaches to you playing? Would you prefer a new thread for theory or theory related questons? I've been meaning to start one - a basic primer for jazz theory.

Either way, I'm definitely interested in hearing some of you guys play, or tunes you're writing!

I personally would be more inclined to learning improvisation and applying theoretic knowledge to it, but given that not ALL of us have a very healthy knowledge of Jazz theory, I think the basic primer for jazz theory would be good :P

Yeah! Thanks Robin!:)

I am learning so much:). Before, I just thought jazz was...well, jazz. But now I know it's JAZZ!:)

John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1961) - from The Sound Of Music, Trane abandoned the original changes, putting pretty much the whole thing over E Minor. Blow Dolphy Blow - that's some yazz flute.

:o Oh yes! I am now on a quest to find all things Dolphy!

There...finally got around to updating this thing...

Free Jazz :: [part I] :: [part II]

There you go...

Wow....no one digs the free jazz, I guess.

:D:mellow:

Wow....no one digs the free jazz, I guess.

:D:mellow:

eh give them time :P

eh give them time :mellow:

I was expecting numerous 'wtf?!', 'this sucks', 'you're a moron', posts...

:D

I was expecting numerous 'wtf?!', 'this sucks', 'you're a moron', posts...

:D

Well, I dig some of it if that helps :mellow:

that was incredible, robin. a lot of good recordings in there, by far my favorite has to be trane's my favourite things. I have made a recording of that song, done in my own style.. the problem is, I did it a) before I knew what I was doing :D and b) before hearing his version.

[update] Perhaps soon will be another installment (Fusion?) ... sorry for the delay :shifty:

Update has been posted!

FUSION.

...aaaand.....GO!

Great stuff!!!! I just recently got into The Brecker Brothers when my college jazz band did a tribute to them. I got to play drums on Some Skunk Funk and developed new respect for Michael Brecker. Its too bad he died before he had a chance to really develop his own style as a sax player (he was already just about as good of a technician as you could be).

I'm kind of disappointed that you consider The Yellowjackets to be smooth-jazz and that they should be avoided. They are smoother then the other groups you mentioned (although John McLaughlin, Chick Corea and Herbie Hancock have produced some pretty smooth stuff) but don't group them with the likes of Kenny G and Dave Koz.

Just to throw in some more great fusion from the 70's check out Ian Carr and his band Nucleus.

I'm kind of disappointed that you consider The Yellowjackets to be smooth-jazz and that they should be avoided. They are smoother then the other groups you mentioned (although John McLaughlin, Chick Corea and Herbie Hancock have produced some pretty smooth stuff) but don't group them with the likes of Kenny G and Dave Koz.

Okay, fine. In my defense, I've really only ever been exposed to the really cheesy stuff - and had no desire to search out more. But, in doing so - I discovered that YES, than can sometimes not suck (See the attached video). Perhaps the studio records are smooooother.

And Chick and Herbie et al have definitely put out some scrafty smooth/fusion records - that's the danger of walking that 'fusion' line - it's so easy to fall into the abyss of smoothness..

Yellow Jackets - Tortoise and The Hare

that's the danger of walking that 'fusion' line - it's so easy to fall into the abyss of smoothness..

That's very true. The fusion/smooth jazz line is as thin as the free jazz/nonsense noise line is. In smooth jazz's defense I think when your tunes can easily be turned into musak (Kenny G) is the downfall of the genre. There are actually quite a few Yellowjacket and Spyro Gyra tunes in the "New Real Book Of Jazz" under pop-fusion classics.

Okay, fine. In my defense, I've really only ever been exposed to the really cheesy stuff - and had no desire to search out more. But, in doing so - I discovered that YES, than can sometimes not suck (See the attached video). Perhaps the studio records are smooooother.

And Chick and Herbie et al have definitely put out some scrafty smooth/fusion records - that's the danger of walking that 'fusion' line - it's so easy to fall into the abyss of smoothness..

Yellow Jackets - Tortoise and The Hare

That is frigging awesome!

:happy:

New.

LATIN JAZZ

yay my personal favorite.

yay my personal favorite.

I love it too ... unfortunately it's one that's SO difficult to explain!

But SOO fun to play!

You forgot Charlie Byrd :P

Planning a chapter on ECM by any chance? That would be awesome :D (No idea when that would be chronologically though *heads to wiki*)

You forgot Charlie Byrd :P

Planning a chapter on ECM by any chance? That would be awesome :D (No idea when that would be chronologically though *heads to wiki*)

I knew I'd forget someone.

Charlie Byrd & Stan Getz - Samba Triste

Along with Stan Getz, Byrd helped usher in the "lazy bossa nova" era. Cool ;)

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Also, I've had to kind of abandon any semblance of chronology...as all this stuff is all happening at the same time...

How about, I do ECM next. :hmmm:

Sounds awesome :D

I love Samba Triste - anyone who likes Bossa should definitely get Jazz Samba (my second jazz album, after Kind of Blue).

Keep it up! *praises Robin*

I find myself really leaning towards a kind of jazz when I started listening to it. After checking Robin's Masterclass thread, I must say most of the videos there are good, but I do not enjoy them as much as Latin jazz. Thanks, Robin, for posting the Latin Jazz article. It is exactly what I am looking for! I never knew it was classified as Latin jazz before I read it.

Is Perez Prado considered latin jazz? I really love Girl from Ipanema. I recall hearing it once when I was a little kid, with a female singer with an airy voice singing it. Very catchy. Does anyone know which version is it?