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Welcome to my discussion. I love most genres of music and am training to become a genre-independent composer. Orchestral? Great! EDM? Wonderful. Ambient? Why not. Metal? Fun. Anyone think this is a good goal to attempt, to try to be good across many genres? I am embedding 8 pieces of mostly IMPROVISED music experimented with. Made-up with MIDI keyboard with only the bassline pre-made:

Thank you, again, @chopin@Luis Hernández, @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu and @PeterthePapercomPoser for your warmhearty comments! Yes, this one expresses the joy played by the shepherds on their instruments – even it might sound sometimes a bit weird – and therefore should be related to Christmas Day. The Empty Church, in contrast, reflects the „Silent Night“ before and I love them both although it was not my intention to create two pieces from the material, initially. Interestingly, nobody did mention or even dislike the usage of my „surprise instrument“ – the bagpipes. When starting the instrumentation, the bagpipe came around a bit very offending and – yes, I must admit that I have a bit cheated by sometimes reducing their dynamics, while a bagpipe in reality is not able to do so. After now being a bit focused on that instrument’s sound, capabilities and notation, I was quite surprised when listening to Haendel’s „Pifa“ from the Messiah these days, that I’m feeling that the bagpipes are cited there throughout. After some research to confirm this, I found a very interesting recording of the "Pifa" featuring only bagpipes, and the name "Pifa" itself refers to the bagpipe players – thus realizing that my use of bagpipes in a Christmas pastoral piece, while not original, is all the more "authentic."

This is interesting in and of itself. For your use case, AI actually does help you getting what you want faster and better than you yourself could do without that brush. But I may ask, why would you need to learn "more tricks" on Suno or Udio if an AI could do that for you? Where do we stop that neverending cycle or why should we? If an AI can help you make better lyrics faster, why would you not use it? Most free AI song checkers, maybe. You can yourself try and investigate. In my experience and doing lil' research, only certain operations that act non-linearly over the audio actually confuse the checker. Suno is in fact the easiest one to spot nowadays, both humanly and with computer assistance. Other lesser known software gives more uncertainty to the blocks. This is from your latest version. The other one was also "AI Generated". Usually with other sources I get a more mixed percentage. You can try the operation of re-recording or other stuff to check if there's something that tricks it. But it'd be a waste of time imo. https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker Returning to the initial topic: my solution to these questions is simple -> Composing is not a tool for me like it is for you. Composing for me it's the goal, not the route towards it. I don't have any other aim with the music I do but to do it, perform it if possible, share it sometimes. Whatever else happens, so be it. Your objective has nothing to do with that, so it makes sense for you to cut time and effort wherever possible in steps that you don't control. But mind that this is the key difference, you cannot get too nitpicky with Suno, Udio or others. You can run the slot machine as long as you want but if you wanted to make a series of minimal changes it would become increasingly difficult and tedious to do so. Advancing in your knowledge of music may become a pain more than an aid because you will begin to detect things that are off in AI songs that are not off even in mainstream songs. That leads us to your next I would say weird statement: But AI does not learn the way we do. It cannot become a composer who developed his own voice for half a century. You can ask AI itself about that, if my word is not convincing. AIs like Suno can imitate some styles up to a certain degree by prediction. It may be unfair but what you describe does not match with the state-of-the-art knowledge of AI models we possess. Feel free to send that video for reference. Also: I'm sure there will be. Right now they're not very good as some members here can assess. Suno itself has the capacity of extracting tracks and converting them to MIDI if I'm not mistaken so you wouldn't even need another AI as long as you handle some software that reads MIDI as sheet music. You can ask AI to generate a sheet music , it's code after all, but more often than not it will fail because there's a fundamental barrier for pieces that are heavily polyphonic. In other words, feel free to try with a symphony movement any of the tools (paid or free) available that use AI to convert audio to PDF sheet music directly. Sure, you may get a single-instrument or a piano transcription, but mind that AI is not magic, it's math, and math used to craft AI cannot solve certain problems that easily. Mind that you do NOT need that either. That they sound and set me off kinda in a similar way that your piece does. Different styles, yes, but very similar brush, similar way of crafting that can nowadays be perceived. That makes them sound not very good to me, but probably they are acceptable for masses. Mind your target, your target ain't people like me. These people have told you a half-truth. You can indeed export a midi or get a midi, edit stuff and then re-Suno-ise it. Problem is that even the best workflow is far from perfect and that you do need some musical knowledge to change the "note". More often than not you will end up just "rerolling" till you get something you convince yourself it's the best output because you don't remind what the first iteration was. Imo, this is a waste of time specially with Suno because it will anyways Suno-ise everything you throw at it. Voices will still be weird no matter the note, this characteristic noise will still be present, and more often than not you would not do a dramatical change. But once again, let me repeat. From what I extract from your words, I would say you do NOT need to be a perfectionist in any way or form. The more you approach that with AI, the less sense it makes to go through it cause the time you consume trying to get exactly what you want grows non-linearly. My recommendation for you would be: don't try to paint a hyperrealistic portrait with a single big shiny brush. If you're already satiisfied 🤔 Man, what are you talking about? Paper does not need internet either. Sheet music is the main medium of music transmission for a reason. Engraving things on stone on a mountain 😁? Pretty expensive probably, I would prefer other more traditional stuff. I have my stuff secured offline just in case. Not sure if there was anything that I did not reply, I just went out and came back leaving this message as a draft. Attaching 3 things: the audio you requested and what happens when I throw it to some AI that promises to get a piano transcription or a score of my audio: Kind regards! Third eye AI transcription.mp3 Third Eye (Arr.).mp3 Third Eye (Arr.).pdf

Yes, the Theorbo is a “larger lute” which (at least here in Germany) is increasingly being used in baroque orchestras alongside the harpsichord and a small organ as a Basso Continuo instrument. I think I first discovered it about five years ago and am always delighted when it is used, for example in Handel's Messiah. It lends such warmth or even a “Mediterranean feeling” to the accompaniment that it surpasses the somewhat “boring” harpsichord and organ, which are unable to play dynamics, while they are needed for rhythmic and percussive accents (the harpsichord) and harmonic filling and foundation (the organ). That in mind, I decided - after nearly completing the instrumentation of my Prelude IX in E major as submission for the 2025 Christmas event - to create a Basso Continuo part, too, to emphasize the Baroque orchestra character. I must admit that it was a larger effort than initially expected (and my figured bass „numbers“ might be error-prone), however I really enjoyed the result so that I came around to present it as an „own piece“ here since I think it is worthwhile to hear it without the other instruments, which otherwise so strongly dominate the Basso Continuo that it's usually only perceived subconsciously. Thank you, @chopin, @Luis Hernández, @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu, @Kvothe and @PeterthePapercomPoser for confirming my belief that the atmosphere of this trio is calming and it could be indeed played on its own in a church, for example during evening prayers. Oh, I must say that I neither had "Where Sheep May Safely Graze" nor „Sleepers Awake“ in mind (while being wonderful) when composing the prelude, my inspiration was the „Sinfonia“ from the Christmas Oratorio. But, yes, if there are feelings of quotations from Bach, that is intentional (and fortunately, Bach won't be making any copyright claims...).

Sorry, that I just had to press the „laughing“ button when reading your announcement of mashing up "O, Christmas Tree" with "Hark! The Herald Angel's Sing!", this must be wild! Now after listening to it I had to smile again on how confusing it comes to the listener having two carols at the same time being on the one hand well blended together but also producing some frictions so that listener is kept focused when he wants to follow and concentrate on either the one or the other carol. All in all that mashups were very inspiring to me and perhaps I’ll try to figuring out something similar for the piano and call it „double fugue“, haha!

Congratulations for showing well, what can be achieved with a full symphonic orchestra! Sometimes I joke that a symphony orchestra is a conductor's very special toy, similar to nowadays DAW software where one is able to mix dozens of tracks and special effects (yes, I attended a concert last year where video game music was performed by such a full symphonic orchestra and it was a fun for me to see what sounds could be produced with the natural instruments – even it is not my genre). But sometimes these enormous possibilities can also become a problem when there are dozens of bars with virtuoso cadenzas and effects, but the audience can no longer follow which musical idea or theme is being played. That’s why it is important to have a clear structure or even a „simple piece“ already accomplished as the base before the orchestration. Since this is the case in your piece, it is – in my opinion – easy to follow and so enjoyable with the colorful instrumentation, such as the harp and even woodwind runnings in bars 21-24 and the Glockenspiel/triangle in bars 27-34. The objection that you have remained in the same key is, in my opinion, not a problem for this short piece, which is only a miniature and not a large concerto or symphony. Having listened so many mashups of Christmas carols the last few days, I feel to hear citations of „O Christmas tree“ and „dashing thru the snow“ in your piece as well, emphasizing the Christmas mood. Thank you for this enjoyable wintery piece and a happy New Year.

@Henry Ng Tsz Kiu oh Henry, You haven’t answered my questions from the last post and here you are putting in your unsolicited 2 cents. Which are even worse now than what you were accusing me of last time. Putting words in God’s mouth and now putting words in my mouth. Sheesh, I’m starting to think you have poor comprehension of words. I never said that if you don’t embrace suno that you are blasphemous. (Prove me wrong and screenshot where i supposedly said that) I never said disagreeing with me is blasphemous. (prove me wrong with a screenshot) Hey Henry go back to my last post questioning you and answer those first before you even comment any new things because you are eroding your credibility with your false claims. Anybody can go look at my posts and your posts and you are just literally digging yourself a hole and destroying whatever reputation you have built in this community. See? I care, I’m trying to help you out here.

@Thatguy v2.0 That whole thing you wrote felt like a mockery of me using AI. So if you were truly just trying to make a joke then sorry if i reacted that way. It’s hard to tell sarcasm over voiceless text.

Thank you very much !!! Happy new year with plenty of health https://www.youtube.com/@patrickarmand4058

I was working on a second one but I didn't have enough time. Christmas was very busy for me.

This is really lovely. I don't have time to analyze the score in depth, but as others have noted, it sounds very clear and smooth for eight-part counterpoint. I'm sure that if I tried to write pure counterpoint like this for eight voices, I'd find them getting in each other's way constantly and I'd end up with a thicker, muddier sound.

Nah, anyone who doesn't welcome him completely and embrace Suno would be considered as blasphemy. Because he considered himself as God's disciple so anyone disagreeing with him would be blasphemous and heretical.

Whoa, there. Didn't mean to offend at all, sorry about that. Was just trying to make a joke, or lighten the mood a bit. The AI talk has been heated, I get that There was no sarcasm when I said welcome 🙂

This one's quite interesting, too! I like the lazy sound to the counterpoint (I don't mean that at all pejoratively; I'm just not sure how else to put it), where it really sounds like each group is doing its own thing and they're being allowed to combine in interesting and non-traditional ways.

This is a fun piece! I like the slightly off-kilter harmony; it sounds warm and comforting somehow. Don't know whether it was intentional or not, but in addition to the two carols you combine, I feel like I hear a little reference to "Deck the Halls" at m. 9.

@Thatguy v2.0 interesting, you remind me of someone. At least your comment is more entertaining. I guess you couldn't help yourself eh, just had to comment. That's fine. For someone talking like that your work must be good. Care to show your work so I may critique it? I expect something better or of the same quality as AI can create since you made it yourself. Show me yours and let's see if you are really Thatguy.

Ha, I read parts of Wilson’s books a while back and this account sounds very “Wilson” indeed, lol.

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My favorite of your Christmas pieces this year! The mash up pieces are cool, but for me it really shows your talents as a composer when you abandon the more complex ideas and speed-run a composition a day??), relying on chops to flesh out a simple and fun idea into something that's still stuck in my head. The trio was great too, and my favorite part was the entry of the basses. Thanks for sharing Peter, it's amazing how many pieces you've written lately!

Yeah I definitely would have composed more had I composed for this event specifically. I made it so that it loops (for a YouTube short), and most of my effort went into the presentation of the video. But hopefully Music Jotter will be done soon and I can start composing more legitimate works for 2026!

What a beautiful piece. The harmony and key changing is what makes this piece shine, although the short motif is definitely what holds the piece together. This has to be one of the most emotional Christmas submissions here. In fact I get a lot of mixed emotions, and this could very easily be music for a movie scene. My favorite part is at 1:36; that key change is stellar.

I do not like MuseScore's playback at all, so the fact that I really enjoyed this work despite the questionable playback of MuseScore, tells you everything. This is an impressive work. Is the beginning/ending loosely, Twelve Days of Christmas? After this though, I got so absorbed into your music, I forgot it was a Christmas piece! I don't even care though. You easily captivated my attention for the full 20 minutes, I even went back to listen to the first 5 minutes again because I could swear I heard 12 days of Christmas somewhere! But every part of your work is captivating and you often change it up. I have to say the 2nd half of your piece is even more captivating. This is where we start getting really deep. By this point, Christmas is gone, and we are now in some other dimension. You do manage to bring back 12 days of Christmas about 15 minutes in though, and end on that note. This will of course be an exhausting piece to play. The rigid playback of MuseScore doesn't do this piece justice in my opinion, because I know that if we could get past the rigid playback, this has the potential to sound much more pianistic.

Thanks for the impressive feedback! I will try to do that.

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