November 15, 200916 yr nonsense. how is this - YouTube - Autechre - Gantz Graf [best Quality!] - contemporary dance music or even close to anything pop?
November 16, 200916 yr nonsense. how is this - YouTube - Autechre - Gantz Graf [best Quality!] - contemporary dance music or even close to anything pop? I can see your point, the line is pretty blurry. To me it still comes under the very broad heading of "pop" because it is basically a weird sort of electronica stretched to its limit. I know what you mean though. Anyway, enough bickering, more stuff: (Ah, the super-over-the-top goodness! :D)Franz Ferdinand - Take me Out Thom Yorke - Feeling Pulled Apart by Horses
November 16, 200916 yr ^Take Me Out? Really? I can't and shouldn't criticize you for that, but you ought to just naturally feel guilty...
November 16, 200916 yr ^Take Me Out? Really? I can't and shouldn't criticize you for that, but you ought to just naturally feel guilty... Heh. :musicwhistle:
November 16, 200916 yr YouTube - CARMEN Prelude by Bizet Berlin Philharmonic Abbado YouTube - Astrud Gilberto ~ The Girl From Ipanema
November 16, 200916 yr basically it's all dance and folk/court music taken to some extreme 'artfull' points. again, they are most probably 1000 times as popular as 'electronica' (new folklore) taken to its extreme. this is pop music. but, most probably, more 'art' than some other pieces mentioned in this thread, 'art' in some more superior way than just simply autechre 'pop'! again, aphex twin 'meltphace 6' takes no less skill to create those subtle and nasty beats flowing majestically with these-flutes, than grieg's happy hardcore. overall, i don't think our young guys provided valid arguments as for why they consider something 'pop'. if it's because of chart thing, then basically, you're lost in a land without any 'genre' or 'stylistic' qualifications. the fact that london sinfonieta takes to arrange warp works is most probably the reason to think at least part of 'electronica' is considered art music, same goes for alarm will sound doing great work on arranging aphex twin's legacy. i still wait what they'll do with autechre, as promised. autechre, same group, which resonates into works of such noise/improvisation giant as supersilent. so, if grieg, gilberto, bartok and bizet is art music, so are some of the examples dismissed here as being not accepted into very narow 'art' world. whew.
November 17, 200916 yr Hm, well I interpreted the topic more to mean "popular music" as opposed to "classical" or "world" music rather than "pop" as opposed to "art", especially since aphex twin was mentioned on the first page. More "out there" subgenres still come under the broad heading of "pop". Pilorious, everything you've posted is still "classical" (obviously). Whilst it might still technically be "dance music", it's obvious to any listener that those pieces come from a completely different genre to autechre, aphex twin etc. Looking through the rest of the thread I can see that everyone's basically already had this discussion anyway: I think the "pop" label is sort of retarded but it's quickly understood what it's meant when we're comparing it to, say, classical music. Though, I would consider pop music "art" as well. So the distinction isn't that great. "pop" is just a verbal designation to differentiate all the pop-type musics from the classical or jazz. "Pop" includes, but is not limited to: rock, folk, indie, rap, pop, emo, drum n bass....
November 17, 200916 yr Hm, well I interpreted the topic more to mean "popular music" as opposed to "classical" or "world" music rather than "pop" as opposed to "art", especially since aphex twin was mentioned on the first page. More "out there" subgenres still come under the broad heading of "pop". Pilorious, everything you've posted is still "classical" (obviously). Whilst it might still technically be "dance music", it's obvious to any listener that those pieces come from a completely different genre to autechre, aphex twin etc. Looking through the rest of the thread I can see that everyone's basically already had this discussion anyway: autechre and aphex is obvious to any listener to be distinct from any genre they know in a pop and classical music world. enough guys, there's no chance you convince that mostly underground music is pop. it's not even close. i consider pop music a) to be mainstream music, that includes whatever genre is popular. that goes for mozart, beyonce or gorecki's third symphony and b) certain genre, which is vague to describe but can be recognised by most audiences as being 'pop' or sounding 'popish'. if autechre or aphex twin is 'pop', i see no way why xenakis is not 'pop'. sorry, guys, if it's not academic or jazz, it is not neccesarily 'pop'. merzbow, anyone!?
November 17, 200916 yr Pliroious - you're arguing a moot point here. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. There are people who straddle the line, obliterate it, or cross back and forth. No big deal. However, for the purposes of this discussion just let it go.
November 17, 200916 yr my point is that the rule is wrong (illogical, mute, empty and imbecil), and generally non-aplicable to many music that was and is posted here (it's not even a rule, since it is imposed from heaven knows where, like measuring beauty of a christmas tree by standart outlook of a maple!, - it has no leaves, must be a bush). but, ok, i will not go on arguing. let this be a thread for ALL music besides what elitists call ART,Z...
November 17, 200916 yr More assorted favorites, in no particular order: YouTube - The White Stripes - Dead Leaves And The Dirty Ground
December 13, 200916 yr A great band I discovered recently. Dave Matthews Band. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHMXCtyEqlM&feature=fvst - may seem like just a pop song, but actually has a pretty messed up structure for one... and my favorite one so far
December 13, 200916 yr A great band I discovered recently. Dave Matthews Band. You're kidding, right? This band is over 8 years old. You just discovered them recently, or is this sarcasm?
December 13, 200916 yr You're kidding, right? This band is over 8 years old. You just discovered them recently, or is this sarcasm? ...We don't all know about things when they first start ;) I've never heard of 'em. Or most others..lol Edit: 8 years? Wow....I was 2-3 :P
December 13, 200916 yr ...We don't all know about things when they first start ;) I've never heard of 'em. Or most others..lol Edit: 8 years? Wow....I was 2-3 :P Yeah, I must be getting old. We were listening to Dave Matthews when I was in college... the first time. Ugh... my arthritis is acting up again, too. :P
December 13, 200916 yr These are a few of my favorite pop songs, off the top of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvU0MljKuL0
December 13, 200916 yr ^Two of those aren't available due to copyright restrictions :P But OMGOMGOMG new Portishead ! How awesome is it?!
December 13, 200916 yr ^Two of those aren't available due to copyright restrictions :P But OMGOMGOMG new Portishead ! How awesome is it?! How weird: the links work fine for me :( Sorry about that
December 14, 200916 yr How weird: the links work fine for me :( Sorry about that I tried again and realised it said "These videos are not available in your country due to copyright restrictions". Odd.
December 15, 200916 yr You're kidding, right? This band is over 8 years old. You just discovered them recently, or is this sarcasm? Actually, they are apparently some 19 years old. But yeah, I just discovered them. No sarcasm intended.
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