Symphony For The Gods - Intro

This is part of a series I've been working on, for the Greek Gods. This is the intro, which is 50 bars (Like all the songs in this series) and has a few melodies that I quite like. One of my bests works, in my opinion.

Please don't say anything about harmony, or to much unison, I already know. I'm going to try and figure out more on not doing all unison, but not on this song, I'd just like some advice other than that for now.

Thanks - Jonah

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1. Bells can't go that low. From the sound I'm guessing you meant to write for chimes. Learn your percussion!

2. m.20 why go to Adagio for one measure? Why not just, "rit."?

3. First horn is WAY too damn high. Even just above the staff is usually out of range, not to mention the ledger lines you're getting into.

4. Don't comment on harmony? I think I need to. In the "Allegro" section starting at m. 38, the bass line is literally I, V, I, V, I, V over and over and over. You need some variation in there. It's much more than a "well I haven't done that yet, so ignore it" kind of deal. You really haven't built in any harmonic interest.

5. Overall I don't get a "symphony of the gods" feel out of this whatsoever. It's more like, "fun frivolous music that you might see in a disney movie."

1. They're supposed to be tubular bells, I meant to put it up the octave for the score but not the MP3 because a G on the 4th line from the top wouldn't play at all for the bells, it was to high. No idea why that happened.

2. It didn't slow down enough

3. The range is good for a professional, I thought. That's what the wiki says.

4. I know.

5. Okay.

Thanks for commenting.

I was going to comment, but it's obvious you have no idea what you're doing. You desperately need to read up on orchestration and instrumentation. Read the masterclasses on the forum.

The score is not even in proper score order.

One bit of advice: Copy & Paste functions are a tool, not a way of life.

the contrast of each part should be descrease , so the audinece may have more fun to listen with you piece

dark-princess

:(:( The usual errors....

- Too much unison parts...

- One part for each instrument...

- THERE ARE 4!!!!!!!!!! HORN PARTS IN AN ORCHESTRA , 4

- Learn the ranges of instruments cause that high G in concert pitch that you've written for the horns not be played by any human nor god...

- There are 3 trumpet parts in an orchestra

- Two trombones + Bass trombone (not in every orch.) usually...

- FFFF for bells...no comment...

- No conception at all what you are doing, what you want to achieve in your composition...

- I could follow it...

It's not a bad sounding piece but theses are seriuous errors my friend. If your score is a mess just dont post it as I do when I not take care of how my score looking and I only want people to comment the sounding. But if you post your score you have to fix there errors. And the greatest error of all is the lack of any conception of what is going on. You always have to know what you are doing and why..Always!! But dont give up learn, practise and you'll get better. Peace :thumbsup:

the contrast of each part should be descrease , so the audinece may have more fun to listen with you piece

dark-princess

I like how this rhymes.

the contrast of each part should be descrease , so the audinece may have more fun to listen with you piece

dark-princess

I don't quite understand this, sorry.

The score is not even in proper score order.

One bit of advice: Copy & Paste functions are a tool, not a way of life.

There's no proper way to do a score, that's decided by the conductor. Sure there's a standard, but I prefer treble clef bass clarinet, and the bassoon with it's double reed family.

I'm trying to look at others scores (or obtain Norton's Scores, reccomended to me) to figure out how others have used orchestration/harmony and other theory to get better.

:(:( The usual errors....

- Too much unison parts...

- One part for each instrument...

- THERE ARE 4!!!!!!!!!! HORN PARTS IN AN ORCHESTRA , 4

- Learn the ranges of instruments cause that high G in concert pitch that you've written for the horns not be played by any human nor god...

- There are 3 trumpet parts in an orchestra

- Two trombones + Bass trombone (not in every orch.) usually...

- FFFF for bells...no comment...

- No conception at all what you are doing, what you want to achieve in your composition...

- I could follow it...

It's not a bad sounding piece but theses are seriuous errors my friend. If your score is a mess just dont post it as I do when I not take care of how my score looking and I only want people to comment the sounding. But if you post your score you have to fix there errors. And the greatest error of all is the lack of any conception of what is going on. You always have to know what you are doing and why..Always!! But dont give up learn, practise and you'll get better. Peace :thumbsup:

I've just figured out the layer option on finale, so now I'll be able to get the proper amount of everything, as I was only allowed 24 instruments before.

Thanks for being positive!

Hi, Jonah:

This is an ok start for quite an ambitious project. I'll bet that by the time you get to piece #16, you'll look at this one and understand some of the comments others are making. I think the musical ideas are worth pursuing more, but you do need to learn how a large ensemble fits and plays together. All of us need to learn that.

The first thing is to learn that scores are produced with a certain order of instruments so that anyone looking at them can easily understand the music. The string section belongs at the bottom of the orchestral score with harp and percussion above it. That's basic. I don't think you'll find many conductors who take the time to ask for customized scores from each composer.

The next thing is to learn the real ranges and capabilities of each instument. Otherwise you'll be asking players to do things they are physically incapable of doing.

Again, all this is part of the learning process every composer encounters. It's actually quite a lot of fun discovering what can be done with music. So take the criticism to heart, and keep discovering.

Brian Sagraves

Thankyou, that's possibly the best comment I've ever got. I understand what Flint meant now, I didn't know strings went under percussion.

Again, thanks for the constructive critisism.

I wanted to add that if you're using Finale -- which I have, by the way -- use the Setup Wizard. That will put everything in order for you. Hope that helps, too.

Brian

For printmusic 2009, it puts percussion behind strings actually. Sent you a PM with questions.