Work for solo cello and orchestra

A piece i wrote back in march of 2010.

Work for solo cello and orchestra

Hi

Sorry if you do this much effort of describing your piece to us I cant really help you in improving, I guess. At least try and get a sound library cause this sounds horrible, although I can hear you have good writing skills.

greetz

This is enjoyable but it doesn't truly exploit the sounds of the orchestra. Do you happen to have a score? For midi renderings the score's really helpful.

1) i don't intend to improve this piece, it has been written, numbered, and that's that, i am not changing a note.

2) i didn't use a full orchestra, i merely used a string orchestra. Since i don't believe i have the skilled at writing for full orchestra at the moment.

3) thank you for your replies.

1) i don't intend to improve this piece, it has been written, numbered, and that's that, i am not changing a note.

If this is the case, may I ask to what you expect from the reviews?

I am interested in people's responses. If u like it, tell me why u llike it. If u don't, tell me why not. It's that simple.

ok

I heard some canonic devices, used as counterpoint melody in the opening. Nice. some nice interplay between stings.

some sequences with flowing tuplets(?) as figured melody, some hoom-pah-hoom-pah; some echo effects in the cadenza. All in all nothing exciting, to be honest. embedded in a fairly common harmony. So overall I did not like it so much...

Maybe you can tell us a bit more about the structure, the development of themes, some ideas behind this? Preferably with score

thanks for sharing

Anton this is not the attitude you will get your reviews with. At least not from me. Good luck composing.

I don't think it is necessary or helpful to tell u anything, i always believed that music alone should be enough to convey my ideas. If u didn't like them, then you probably won't change your ideas about my piece anyways. Regardless of whether i provide u with a score, or coming up with some fancy "justification" as why i used a particualry structure or device.

Again, i appreciate your input.

@JijGaat

I am perplexed, what attitudes? I don't understand, can u explain where I was "wrong"?

I'll say it again, and with some justification. I don't intend to improve this piece, not because I am some "great" composer who has mastered the form. Nor am i looking down on people, thinking you guys are no help to me. No, that's not the reason. I merely want to learn, and get things right on my own. PLUS, i don't believe there are "right" or "wrong" notes. There might be "better" notes, but even that is relative. So i simply don't need people telling me what to do.

What i find interesting is in people's direct response, not so much their musical analysis of my score. Art should be instantly appealing, if it's not, then it's not good enough.

Hi Anton

The attitudes in these posts:

1) i don't intend to improve this piece, it has been written, numbered, and that's that, i am not changing a note.

2) i didn't use a full orchestra, i merely used a string orchestra. Since i don't believe i have the skilled at writing for full orchestra at the moment.

3) thank you for your replies.

I am interested in people's responses. If u like it, tell me why u llike it. If u don't, tell me why not. It's that simple.

I think you totally miss the point here of learning from the reviews from people. The only way (IMO), is to use the advices you think are useful, and try to make a better piece out of it. Now if you say beforehand you won't change anything, that doesnt make me want to comment on your piece, since I know you wont do anything with it.

The part where I like or dislike someones piece, has also much to do with that persons behaviour. Now that mostly only accounts for this forum.

In the second post you (again, IMO) actually talk down to everyone. Somehow your posts give me a negative feeling, and that is something you shouldnt intend to do. I hope you dont and I see you now want explanations.

I agree with you about the part with wrong notes, but it is almost always the case we wont be saying you should change the pitch of a note. It would be more like: you might should try a counter melody in bar#.. Or you should try a different chord in that chord progression.

Of course I agree art SHOULD be instantly appealing. But before it is that way we all have much to learn. By getting reviews you can hear other people's ideas about art and make your music better. If you don't intend to use the reviews and advices, why then bother posting your music?

You only want to get posts with: WOW I LIKED THIS: KEEP ON POSTING! :D

You cant do anything with those comments, so please dont tell me thats what you want.

Greetz

I don't think it is necessary or helpful to tell u anything, i always believed that music alone should be enough to convey my ideas. If u didn't like them, then you probably won't change your ideas about my piece anyways. Regardless of whether i provide u with a score, or coming up with some fancy "justification" as why i used a particualry structure or device. Again, i appreciate your input.

I do not know everything. Chances are, when I don't like something, I am missing the point. So, I wanted to give your piece a fair chance. I do not know how I have to interpret your seemingly unwillingness to stand up for your piece. It seems that the music did not convey your ideas; that was why was asking to them.

As for a score: its good practice here. For me, I usually enjoy more of a piece when I see the score. As for sharing a piece I made, and I am proud of, I really want to let others take a look into the score. Sharing how I done it.

Well I guess there is some difference in opinion. No big deal to me. :D

"Art should be instantly appealing" "Direct responses are more helpful to writing better music than musical analysis" Bruckner, your posts reek of naivety; a kid playing artist who doesn't understand much of anything about his craft of the development of said craft in the last 100 or so years. Your music suggests as such as well.

I don't mean to be offensive (though I probably most certainly am). I'm just being blunt with you and epitomizing what everyone else at this thread has pretty much been hinting at. Post scores; it will be extremely rare to get any kind of actually helpful advice without a score. Be willing to change your existing pieces; in my past, I've learned just as much revising old music as I have writing entirely new music. And most importantly, get out of this attitude that art has to be instantly appealing. I mean, personally, I'm opposed to the notion of art being instantly appealing almost altogether. But that's my subjective wish. And if you want to write music that can reach a large audience then sure. There's nothing wrong with that. But don't fall into the mindset of "Well, if I don't instantly like this then obviously, it's crap." It blows my mind how any so-called 'artist' can fall into such a shallow view of their own craft and close them off to so much.

So, yeah. I've probably opened this thread up to trolling now but I just felt a need to level with you. I only wish someone had done the same for me when I first came to this site.

"Bruckner, your posts reek of naivety; a kid playing artist who doesn't understand much of anything about his craft of the development of said craft in the last 100 or so years. Your music suggests as such as well."

where is ur music? too embarrassed to keep it around? LOL, and you are judging other's music? Why don't u troll somewhere else, why not begin with children's section?

oh, and to return the favor. Just to show i am not someone who takes crap from anybody:

You are a *BEEEEEP*

I hope u r not offended by this, because I really don't mean it, really, i don't mean to be offensive at all!

Edited April 25, 201015 yr by John Mulligan
Foul Language.

"Bruckner, your posts reek of naivety; a kid playing artist who doesn't understand much of anything about his craft of the development of said craft in the last 100 or so years. Your music suggests as such as well."

where is ur music? too embarrassed to keep it around? LOL, and you are judging other's music? Why don't u troll somewhere else, why not begin with children's section?

oh, and to return the favor. Just to show i am not someone who takes crap from anybody:

You are a *BEEEEEP*

I hope u r not offended by this, because I really don't mean it, really, i don't mean to be offensive at all!

Judging by this post (and the six subsequent posts you made bashing every single post of mine you could find as well as the private message you sent), I'm glad at how maturely and rationally you're taking my criticism. Truly, you are proving how I am the immature little troll who knows nothing of music and you have full comprehension of your art. Especially given the fact that you didn't actually address anything I said in the post but rather just told to shut up repeatedly.

I'm glad.

I see dead threads... this one's close to being locked. Everyone needs to adjust their tone. Anton, your responses seem a little unnecessarily defensive. People here are trying to help and you're essentially giving them a negative impression by reacting how you do.

Everyone else, Anton can take your responses into account for future works. From here on out, just give Anton general feedback on his music. If you have something positive to say, say it. If you have something negative to say, don't.

Be nice to each other... you're all getting too riled up over this...

1) i don't intend to improve this piece, it has been written, numbered, and that's that, i am not changing a note - Mistake.

The following analysis will tell you why - It's a crock of urine.

Everything that 'Nirvana' said was right, and I think Nirvana is the worst musician I've ever known. If anything he writes anti-music. Some strange morphing wave that turns your ears inside out so you're actually 'unhearing' things, this forgetting pieces you once heard time ago.