without you i'm... but with you...

First of all, YOU MUST DOWNLOAD ALL OF THESE SOUNDFILES THAT ARE UPLOADED HERE: http://www.box.net/shared/xnyim79mfa

SECONDLY, downlaod Max/msp trial at http://cycling74.com/

LASTLY, Download load the max patch here: http://www.box.net/shared/x6tkjd0ou5

Open the match patch ---> click "presentation mode" under the "View" menu. Instructions are provided

This is the first time i've tried this type of composition. It is an interactive composition that is programmed. Basically a falling cluster of sign waves looms as both the foreground and background of this piece. The user gets to control soundfiles or mp3's of various chime and bell sounds that change after every 10 seconds. These can be turned on and off with the keyboard. Additionally, the user can add delay as well as control how long the soundfile last by pressing and depressing the keyboard. Furthermore, a seperate sine, saw, triagle, and square wave are available to play at any specific time the user wants by pressing the a, s, d, and f keys.

This adds a human element to the composition. The person who performs this piece is advised practice how he wants this peice to move or progress.

The max/msp patch requires a program to play it which can be downloaded for a free 30 day trial at their website (google). Additionally, I believe you can download a viewer (similar to finale notepad) to play any patches you want, and believe me there are tons of patches around for you to experiment and try!

without you i'm... but with you...

Okay, I think I got the gist of this thing, but at the same time I don't think I did. I have zero experience with this program so don't exactly know what the possibilities are, and I can only assume that the majority of the people on YC also have zero experience with it. This is MAX aleatoric (uh, no pun intended... ), it really depends on whether or not the "performer" knows what they're doing or not whether they'll get good results and chances are that they won't. I didn't, I don't quite understand this. It plays this recording of sine waves that gradually gets lower alternating panning and I can add a recording of a sine or triangle or saw or square, and it also plays a recording of bells and what sounds like an 18-wheeler/lorry truckin' down the highway. The sounds change abruptly every ten seconds and it just sounds awful to me. It took me a while to figure out that the two sliders where basically delayed with one another so I could create reverb - actually, it was like you wanted me to compose the piece instead of you, but you didn't give me enough control to be free.

I don't see very many people bothering to try this - it feels more like playing with a buggy synthesizer than performing a composition to me, but you already do know my viewpoint on electronic music, especially aleatoric stuff like this. But point is is I had to download files from three different links, I had to install through rebooting my computer a 221 MB very versatile electronic music programming... programme... only to use it to view one composition then expire in 30 days then I can't use it to view any more of yours' or anybody else's compositions. Why can't you just record your own 'performance' of it and upload an mp3 so people can hear it the way you think it should sound - after all, you're the composer. If you did that than I could certainly lend an unbiased review, but this is just too much as it is to handle for me even if it pales in comparison to what other people are doing nowadays.

i don't have a view window...but i have control instructions

how do you get the audio files to link up with the max/msp patch?

i don't have a view window...but i have control instructions

how do you get the audio files to link up with the max/msp patch?

They should play if they are all in a folder on your desktop labeled "Soundfiles."

What is this ?

I should move this thread to other forum ?

I see no reason to - it's a legit composition and is perfectly at home here in Electronic - it's just an interactive work - I think it's something new for YC. :)

And Morgri - keep this kinda work coming! I challenge you to come up with one even I enjoy. :happy:

I thought was some kind of Lesson thread... also the external links but ... Ok,

I have a MAC OS from 2006. For some reason it doesn't recognize any of the files I have downloaded making it impossible to use them. Did I miss something?

I have a MAC OS from 2006. For some reason it doesn't recognize any of the files I have downloaded making it impossible to use them. Did I miss something?

Just download the files that I linked to above and it should work.

Well Morgri I did get it to download but now I cannot locate the presentation mode as I do not have a View menu on ANY of the downloads given.

Anyone else encounter this?

Anyway, I 'll have to deal with this later - already spent 1 hour between yesyerday and today just to get unsuccessfully to the View presentation mode.

And not to be entirely negative - here is a more user friendly and preparatory version of what you may be trying to do:

http://turbulence.org/spotlight/pianoetudes/net.jasonfreeman.pianoetudes.PianoEtudes/wordpress/?page_id=367

What is this ?