luderart Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I understand this is a speculative question, so don't expect this question about "musical logic" to demonstrate much "logic" in a non-musical sense - i.e. don't argue with me about the appropriateness or "logical sense" of the question! Allow your "musical logic" to enter into this verbal discussion.... I think there is an underlying "logic" to all music composed. This logic can be perceived, analyzed, understood, but perhaps not verbally. Musicology may be the field which deals with musical logic. But how does "musical logic" differ from ordinary logic? What is musically logical may well be "illogical" - or strike one as illogical - from a non-musical perspective. To give a concrete example, in ordinary logic repetition has no purpose, but in music - in musical logic (just as often in poetry) - repetition has a fundamental role to play. Can you identify other instances where "musical logic" diverts from ordinary logic; where "musical logic" surprises us, or confounds our expectations-originating-from-ordinary-logic? You can use concrete examples from famous composers and famous compositions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norby Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 "To give a concrete example, in ordinary logic repetition has no purpose" :facepalm: :headwall: There are MANY situations in life where repeated steps are HAS purpose. -If you want to learn a certain skill for example you will need to repeat things in many times to achieve this..(read something from the beginning to the end..repeat (until you learn something etc.) / play a piano piece...repeat many times..(until you learn that piece) / manufacture a useful thing to sell....repeat many times to gain more object and profit ) Sry for my english anyway, but your topic is just bullshit.......there are no such things as "musical logic" and "ordinary logic" separated like that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Sry for my english anyway, but your topic is just bullshit.......there are no such things as "musical logic" and "ordinary logic" separated like that.... Then explain why, don't just make fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne-scales Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 "To give a concrete example, in ordinary logic repetition has no purpose" :facepalm: :headwall: There are MANY situations in life where repeated steps are HAS purpose. -If you want to learn a certain skill for example you will need to repeat things in many times to achieve this..(read something from the beginning to the end..repeat (until you learn something etc.) / play a piano piece...repeat many times..(until you learn that piece) / manufacture a useful thing to sell....repeat many times to gain more object and profit ) Sry for my english anyway, but your topic is just bullshit.......there are no such things as "musical logic" and "ordinary logic" separated like that.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luderart Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sry for my english anyway, but your topic is just bullshit.......there are no such things as "musical logic" and "ordinary logic" separated like that.... I reported your post and am sorry that the moderators failed to remove your "BS" from this thread! "To give a concrete example, in ordinary logic repetition has no purpose" :facepalm: :headwall: There are MANY situations in life where repeated steps are HAS purpose. -If you want to learn a certain skill for example you will need to repeat things in many times to achieve this..(read something from the beginning to the end..repeat (until you learn something etc.) / play a piano piece...repeat many times..(until you learn that piece) / manufacture a useful thing to sell....repeat many times to gain more object and profit ) As far as regards your example, what you say is not logic as a mental discipline but the practical process of learning. I am talking about logic whereby something may be proven to be true or false, as pure reasoning. In logic understood as that, there is no need for repetition! However, in "musical reasoning" or "musical logic" repetition plays a big role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norby Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperViridis Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Don't proofs by induction involve repeating a step an arbitrary number of times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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