November-December 2012 Monthly Competition

I'm in.

I think I'm doing this. I'm not terribly comfortable writing Baroque music... It'll be interesting to see what I manage to throw together, at least...

And, you have PLENTY of time to do it! :D Have fun!

I can not wait to judge the entries. *shows excitement*

I'm in!!!!

Get to work people! You have a month and a half!

I will not participate in this competition, but I am interested in the Baroque Cantata.

To provide all of those who may partake in this competition an insight on what we, the judges, will be looking for: I have provided an audio from you tube and place where you download a score to study. I hope this you.

Six partitas: Click on no. one, B flat. note they are copies of this. Find the best copy here. :) Best of luck to you all.

To answer this question I am going to say this:

1) The baroque period pieces were not written for the modern piano. They were written for the clavichord or the harpsichord, which is the cousin of the Piano-Forte today.

2) This does not mean one has to write for one or the other. Keyboard music is keyboard. No matter what keyboard instrument is used.

3) Baroque Dance suites have a specif form and style in which they follow. It is best that all of you know this when you compose.

and 4) the example which I showed is only tip of the ice berg in this form. There are many more suites in this period: French, english and partitias. It is advise that the entrants should know the repertorie of the period and try to emulate what is out there. :)

yes, use the modern piano for a baroque period piece.

:headwall: You really need to not take things at facevalue, and look at what they are implying. Yes, you can use the modern piano for this competition.

Some more questions:

1) Cab we have Minuet > Trio?

2) Can we have (example) Gavotte I > Gavotte II > Gavotte I D.C. as a single whole thing?

3) Can we have Minuet I > Trio > Minuet II > Minuet I D.C. ?

Yes, to all that.

Even though I am not the Mod here, I have to agree with him on this matter. Bach went out his way to break the norm of baroque dance suite form on several occasions. Nonetheless, I will list the typical form in which one can use to start with and then you can go from there. (note: the opening post that tells us what movements are and are not required differs)

1. an introductory , optional movement:overture, prelude, fantasia

2. allendmada

3. courte

4. Sarabarande

5. more optional dances can be placed here: Gavotte, Boure, ect. and can be repeated.

6. Gigue.

Note: It is also best to seek ought examples where repertorie does break this mold and then justify you case by studying it.

I haven't been active here since school started, but I need this push for composition. If I can still enter, I'm in! Just one question, should horns be period correct "natural" horns, or can we use the modern horn?

EDIT: Second question, should we avoid metronome marks and use only general tempo terms, as they did in the Baroque era?

You may use the modern horn.

That will be interesting to listen to and score.

Being a "Baroqueian" doesn't come naturally to me, but count me in. My Bourree is already finished, but everything else (i.e., everything longer and more complicated) is a work in progress.

So can the "motive" be a harmonic progression rather than rhythmic/melodic?

A couple of other questions:

-For the "optional" movements, could it be "optional" to put in the motive that runs through the other movements? (I haven't run into this problem yet, but just curious.) When Bach adds a second dance movement (i.e., Gavotte II, Bourree II), they tend to be contrasting in character.

-Also, what form should the gigue take? The fugal gigues that Bach wrote (at least the ones I've briefly looked at) were binary, but I think a case could be made based on your description for it being the freer form of a typical fugue.

Count me in, this will be a good challenge for me. I have been meaning to work on something like this, so with some fire to my back I will try my best.

Here's my entry: http://www.youngcomposers.com/music/3683/teilnehmer-suite-november-december-monthly-competition/

Teilnehmer Suite in Cm.

Thanks for the early turn in. :D

*cough* Any chance I will be getting any answers to the questions I asked earlier?...

So sorry that you were not answered right way. :) Yes, the second question. Bach did add second movements in one of baroque dance suites, and the reference as I as recall would be French overture or Overture in B minor. Look at these and see how they would be a model for your composition. For the first question, Baroque music is formed around both around the theme and the motive (melodically and harmonically). It is wise to say, then, that the counterpoint of these dances would have a strong rhythmic beat, but that is only 1/3 of the counterpoint. The other 2/3 is formed from harmony and melody. Thus, yes and no.

I've just added the Fugue Analysis to my Teilnehmer Suite and corrected some engraving errors (*cough). I believe there isn't anything to do, but to wait for the (far coming) results...

yep!

I've just added the Fugue Analysis to my Teilnehmer Suite and corrected some engraving errors (*cough). I believe there isn't anything to do, but to wait for the (far coming) results...

You could write another suite. ;) (At least, I recall that being said earlier in the thread.)