August 6, 200619 yr nightfly's stuff kicks donkey. it's easily some of the best "atonal" music I've ever heard, though I'd hesitate to describe it as strictly atonal
August 7, 200619 yr All of the well-done atonal music were composed by those who are dead. Atonal music today is absolutely terrible. Nico, you compose 45748732945739573 times better than any composition professor out there because they all learn music, but since they're idiots, they write today's atonal music, which is idiotic but everyone in the professional business seems to respect.
August 7, 200619 yr I'm not a fan of atonal music and here's why. I completely enjoy and understand all the intellectual stuff of atonal music. In fact, atonal music helps to open up your understanding about options for develpment and note treatment. But what it sounds like is where the problem is? It's one thing to be doing new and forward things, but I think there's something to be said about music that comes across as "ugly" to so many. Moderation: this post has been edited by the spelling and grammar police for eight serious miscarriages of justice for apostrophes, commas and proper sentence structure (etc.).
August 7, 200619 yr Author Nico, you compose 45748732945739573 times better than any composition professor out there because they all learn music, but since they're idiots, they write today's atonal music, which is idiotic but everyone in the professional business seems to respect. What a stupid statement. Im sorry, I had to say this
August 7, 200619 yr Nico, you compose 45748732945739573 times better than any composition professor out there because they all learn music, but since they're idiots, they write today's atonal music, which is idiotic but everyone in the professional business seems to respect. This is the kid who cries tears of happiness when he hears Ravel's Bolero. I rest my case.
August 7, 200619 yr Seconded ? What it means ? Ah, sorry. When someone says they second something, it means they agree. It's generally used in voting and business matters. Sorry, didn't take into consideration you may not know what I meant. For clarification, in voting, someone makes a 'motion', then someone must 'second' it before it can be open for voting.
August 7, 200619 yr Author wow thanks for this information. I now have the ability to Second people! Lol
August 7, 200619 yr yes, its the new verb. Next to AUFZUGKNALLEN Pssst. Elevator Slam isn't correct german.
August 7, 200619 yr Pssst. John Galt is gay... I'm straight. You can just put your fantasies aside. :P
August 8, 200619 yr It IS diverse. Schoenberg's op.25 is a lot different than Penderecki's St. Luke Passion. They are both atonal, but in very different ways. I don't know how to define atonality - however I can hear it quite easily. And my ability to recognize it has gotten better. I used to not be able to tell extended tonality from atonality.
August 8, 200619 yr Well, the most exact definition is music without a tonal center. No Key of ________. The harmony therefore is "non-functional" since it is not enslaved to V-I relationships. There are many atonal techniques, the most infamous of which is probably serialism, or 12-tone music.
August 8, 200619 yr What exactly is a tonal center? Does it have to be one note? What about a piece that is constantly modulating and doesn't give preference to a single pitch. The Prelude from Tistan und Isolde doesn't sound atonal at all to me, but I know that it certainly doesn't have a traditional tonal center.
August 8, 200619 yr Tristan and Isolde kind of walks the line. The point is that it doesn't resolve ti "I" until the end of the Liebestod, and that is used as symbolism for longing. But it has moments that at least suggest tonality. Basically if you are listening to a piece of music and try to whistle "tonic" that's the test. If you can sing a "home tone" (not just the chord root or bass) it's tonal. If not, then it's atonal. Of course other pieces challenge that. Debussy's music often uses non-functional harmony but has "forced" tonal centers due to ostinati and pedal tones. Hope that helps.
August 8, 200619 yr cmajchord, I would agree with you. I do think that the exact line between tonality and atonality is often arbitrary - perhaps in part because the very concepts of tonality and atonality are arbitrary in some ways.
August 8, 200619 yr Author Well if we look at the poll results, for now, it seems like the majority actually likes atonal music. Interesting.. :)
August 8, 200619 yr I put "yes" because although I don't like any music written by composers that is exclusively atonal, I do like the concept of atonal music. It's such a vicious and forceful texture how could I not?
August 8, 200619 yr Probably. I listen to all sorts of musical styles that I don't write in. I would assume it's the same for everyone.
August 9, 200619 yr yes, its the new verb. Next to AUFZUGKNALLEN The correct verb would be to aufzugknal, would it not?
August 9, 200619 yr The correct verb would be to aufzugknal, would it not? Assuming you're not trying to use colloquial english in german...
August 9, 200619 yr Maybe we should just ask someone German how to say "elevator sex." It would make our lives easier.
August 9, 200619 yr Maybe we should just ask someone German how to say "elevator sex." It would make our lives easier. Aye.
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